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heronymous

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Report this Apr. 01 2013, 6:32 pm

The World is a diverse place with many races ! There have been important members of the Federation and Starfleet who are Asian . George Takei and Garret Wang have been prominent Actors in Star Trek .


 

OtakuJo

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Report this Apr. 02 2013, 12:00 am

I have wondered the same thing at times -- and you could make similar discussions about a bunch of other groups. Including, incidentally, why there are not more aliens. The answer is pretty simple. If Star Trek were an Asian show, you would see a lot more Asian characters. So here's the ultimate answer to your question (You ready? Take a deep breath):


Star Trek is an American show.


For that reason, it is more inclined to reflect the kind of ethnic mix that is found in America. Did you not notice how the TARDIS from Doctor Who keeps landing in the UK all the time, or that anime characters all have Japanese names?


Mystery solved!


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Devinoni

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Report this Apr. 02 2013, 10:14 am

Lang-haoLeeyohRacisme is by definition a wrong concept and a left-over from a time of narrow mindedness.


The thruth is there is only one human race! People from African backgrounds (saying "colored people" is also an insult) for example are NOT a different race. So racisme is really a incorrect denomination.


 


Star trek has done tremendous work incorporating people from different backgrounds, especially in times where it was not yet widely accepted. The Original Series are groundbracking when it comes to that.


 


And like OtakuJo rightfully pointed out, since ST is a tv series and as such had to make some compromises. 


However, if you allow yourself to look beyond those compromises you'll see that the CORE VALUES of ST are to imbrace diversitity.


 


If you still doubt the Gene Roddnberry's intentions, let me quote some of his opinions on that matter:


 


“If man is to survive, he will have learned to take a delight in the essential differences between men and between cultures. He will learn that differences in ideas and attitudes are a delight, part of life's exciting variety, not something to fear.” 




“Star Trek was an attempt to say that humanity will reach maturity and wisdom on the day that it begins not just to tolerate, but take a special delight in differences in ideas and differences in life forms. […] If we cannot learn to actually enjoy those small differences, to take a positive delight in those small differences between our own kind, here on this planet, then we do not deserve to go out into space and meet the diversity that is almost certainly out there.” 






Make it so.

Devinoni

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Report this Apr. 02 2013, 11:02 am

Lang-haoLeeyoh: I do recognise that there's still a widespread misconception when it comes to racisme. And unfortunately it still lives among people and yes you will find them in many places.


And yes, humanity is still very much flawed and we still have along voyage ahead untill we reach a certain maturity.


But remember, the glass is always half full or half empty. It's Ying and Yang and as such you will also find a lot of people who are good and strive to make a better world. 


It's up to you to choose what you want to see.


 


Make it so.

Sehlat123

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Report this Apr. 02 2013, 12:30 pm

As OtakuJo said, it is an american show, so it reflects the American population. That is majority white, but also a minority of many other races. We have blacks, like Uhura, Travis, and Sisko, and asians like Sulu and Kim, but the majority is white. Just as Asian shows have mostly Asians, and African shows have mostly Africans.


You know, people like you can see racism in EVERYTHING. I don't think about races normally, but you seem to find it everywhere. I don't know why you're so sensitive; I know racism still exists, against all races, but not nearly to the extreme you make it out to be.


Just out of curiosity, why do you watch star trek if it offends you?


 

fireproof78

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Report this Apr. 02 2013, 1:58 pm

The topic of racism is a touchy one. I recall being in a Diversity class in college and we watched a video of a counseling group and then analyzed our own reactions. It was interesting to me that two classmates, who were especially sensitive to racism (one being Native America, the other married to a Hispanic gentleman) thought that the other students in the class had noticed only the angry black man rather than how wrong the white person was, despite other students statements to the contrary.


So, while I am not racist, I have no doubt that i have to fight against racist opinions. But, I personally don't believe that one has to sacrifice national loyalty to stop being racist.


Likewise, the US of A is not racist generally speaking but there is some institutionalized racism in places, and it is the responsibility of people to try and change it.


That being said, like others have said, Star Trek was filmed in the United States, and like many other productions, it reflects the cultural values, or perceived values by studios, that people will watch.


Roddenberry often promoted a more positive future, but that wasn't always realized by studio execs, writers or producers even Roddenberry himself at times. There were times and episodes were racism was on full display in Star Trek.


I don't think we should turn a blind eye towards it, but neither do I think it is as bad as some make it out to be.


 

Lang-haoLeeyoh

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Report this Apr. 02 2013, 3:33 pm

fireproof78 I love that alien that beat borg, only alien love in Voyager beside Borg itself

Lang-haoLeeyoh

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Report this Apr. 02 2013, 3:45 pm

Think after bad beginning this turn into good conversation; think race talk make people angry and defensive, & I no less person than anyone else; but hope we all see things we didn't before; and hope everone who engage hiere one day can be friends with each other, even those who fight with each other.  Monks in China teach "no not judge the man judge the action of the man, do not hate the man hate the action of the man, do not see the emotion of a man; anger and war and fighting are only actions not men, one always needs to be able to seperate these actions from the men who perform them.".


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Lang-haoLeeyoh

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Report this Apr. 02 2013, 4:08 pm

Lang-haoLeeyoh

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Report this Apr. 02 2013, 4:09 pm

Lang-haoLeeyoh

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Lang-haoLeeyoh

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Report this Apr. 02 2013, 5:09 pm

derfshaya

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Report this Apr. 03 2013, 12:59 am

DISCLAIMER: I'm just being nosy here and felt like I have things to say. Please ignore the post if you're not in the mood because I can tell you myself it is very stupid and emphasizes too much on my personal feelings.

I'm an Asian-Pacific. A Chinese, to be specific.

It irritates and sometimes pains me to no end when any member of any race asserts any kind of superiority of their own nation/race over any other nation/race, whether in defence or not.

I think Star Trek is a great show and the people behind the TV series have done excellent work. The show is made by humans, with limited time and resources. We cannot expect the show to reflect the real world exactly. We can only appreciate it for what it is.

I believe it is the responsibility of the audience to bring home the correct messages for themselves and not focus on the negative/incomplete parts of the show.

Racism is always going to exist. Our human minds are not capable of learning the world in any better way that does not involve racism. So we can't get rid of racism. We want it to be good racism, not bad racism.

It is thus our responsibility as a member of any race to constantly work hard in changing the perception of other people for our own race, showing that we are understanding and accepting of others. Look at Lt. Worf from Star Trek TNG. He is a great example. He withholds his Klingon pride and puts serving the Enterprise above his own race and culture.

Let people be racist. Be proud of our own race. Be proud of Earth. Be proud of the Milky Way galaxy. Be proud of the Universe.

Because that's who we are.

Lang-haoLeeyoh

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Report this Apr. 03 2013, 1:14 am

It also makes me wish I had stayed so I could fight people like you and the evil you represent.

derfshaya

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Report this Apr. 03 2013, 2:05 am

Why are you making a personal attack? I am saying that humans are incomplete. Ergo you are totally misunderstanding me. You have read my words, but not my meaning.


It baffles me how one can assume so many things about another person without even knowing them and seeing them in real life.


It is however, also very... intriguing. I wanted to delete my post because I felt very afraid that I will be judged like this. But after seeing your reaction, I am more certain of my thoughts and feelings.


People like you exist. People who judge others without batting an eyelid, putting people they do not know in the roles of their aggressors. People who value their own experiences way too much. I have merely tried to redefine the word "racism" and you have put an image of me inside a tank trying to run over innocent people.


Why do we have to keep fighting? If anything I have learnt from Star Trek and futuristic shows it is the trust that people put on one another. The hope that what you initially see as "enemy" is not really an enemy. I don't like the word "fight". I don't like guns, I don't like killing.


I'm everything different from who you said I am.  I TRUSTED YOU, though. Even though you're just some... person in the internet, that I do not know. I trusted you to be friendly. I trusted you to either read my whole post before you reply, or totally ignore it.


That is the end of my analysis. I shall not make this a personal matter. After all, we do not know each other.

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