ATTENTION: The Boards will be closed permanently on May 28th, 2014. Posting will be disabled on April 28th, 2014. More Info

Bread and Circuses, Who Mourns for Adonis...

FleetAdmiral_BamBam

GROUP: Members

POSTS: 46303

Report this Sep. 20 2013, 12:30 am

Quote: TravisMalcolm @ Sep. 18 2013, 7:43 pm

>I agree with you for the most part. Not mentioned yet, the words "Christian" & "Christianity" are not used. Indeed, when we first hear of any worship in B & C it is the context of "Sun worship" Yes "Sun". There is one shot of immediately after one of the worshipers talks about worshipping the sun. He looks up to the roof of the cave, then the scene changes, everyone is outside in a thicket & the camera shows us a picture of the sun. The crew thinks that the Romans are worshiping the sun. The replication of an Earth civilization seems viritually exact, with that one seemingly very strange exception. It is aesthetic in its nature--the surprise ending.
But "Christ" was mentioned by Kirk at the end after Uhura explained that it wasn't the sun they were worshipping, but the Son of God.  (Is that what you meant by "surprise ending?"

TravisMalcolm

GROUP: Members

POSTS: 118

Report this Sep. 20 2013, 7:18 pm

Yes, that is what I meant, FleetAdmiral BamBam.


Blalock & Nimoy were the best two actors in the Star Trek universe. Go Vulcans!

FleetAdmiral_BamBam

GROUP: Members

POSTS: 46303

Report this Sep. 20 2013, 11:31 pm

Quote: TravisMalcolm @ Sep. 20 2013, 7:18 pm

>

>Yes, that is what I meant, FleetAdmiral BamBam.

>
I guess for me, it wasn't a "surprise" at all... it seemed obvious to me.

Kornula

GROUP: Members

POSTS: 1676

Report this Nov. 29 2013, 12:23 am

deiradinn: I am totally with you on this clear cut contradiction in messages regarding, God and/or Religion.   Mr Roddenberry orgiinally wrote "Who Mourns for Adonis?" as Krk killing the Christian God.. not Apollo.  Many of his freinds and other writers convincied him that aring this in 1960s would be the work he'll ever get in Hollowwood.   Having learned that, I'm gonna  take a guess that he wrote "Bread & Circuses" as a half assed apology/appeasment.  Bread & Circues " is the one episode I just cannot watch ever again.


Now, "Return of the Archons" is the one episode I can watch 10 times a day.

enhancesys

GROUP: Members

POSTS: 503

Report this Nov. 29 2013, 4:48 pm

Quote: buchworm @ Jul. 07 2013, 5:37 pm

>

>Different characters have different attitudes toward religion and have very different religions.  On the whole, the humans are less religious than the nonhumans.  None of the religious people are what many of us would call, "religious fundamentalists", though I would say that Kira gets close at times.

>


...and THAT is what made Kira an interesting character in DS9.  Before that she was just angry...like Torres from VOY.


 


As for the opening post in which the person openly equates religion to EVERYTHING bad that has ever happened and good only coming from "science"...Please remember, the 2 countries that murdered and mistreated more people than ANY others by far were China and the Soviet Union...both governments pushed an atheistic dogma.  Our world is becoming less Christian every day and with that decline comes more war, terrorism, famine, disease, etc. 


I am Christian.  I am also Chief Technology Officer for my company.  I appreciate how science reveals the patterns in the universe God created.  I refuse to worship science.  In the 1970's scientsts were ABSOLUTELY sure the world was getting colder...now it is ABSOLUTELY getting warmer.  Scientists are always considered right until they are wrong and get new data.  Which means most anything they "know" can and will change.  Of course, that fits society today in which values change and no behavior is actually wrong.


 


Jim

Kornula

GROUP: Members

POSTS: 1676

Report this Nov. 29 2013, 9:21 pm

[quote]


[quote]


Different characters have different attitudes toward religion and have very different religions.  On the whole, the humans are less religious than the nonhumans.  None of the religious people are what many of us would call, "religious fundamentalists", though I would say that Kira gets close at times.


[/quote]


...and THAT is what made Kira an interesting character in DS9.  Before that she was just angry...like Torres from VOY.


 


As for the opening post in which the person openly equates religion to EVERYTHING bad that has ever happened and good only coming from "science"...Please remember, the 2 countries that murdered and mistreated more people than ANY others by far were China and the Soviet Union...both governments pushed an atheistic dogma.  Our world is becoming less Christian every day and with that decline comes more war, terrorism, famine, disease, etc. 


I am Christian.  I am also Chief Technology Officer for my company.  I appreciate how science reveals the patterns in the universe God created.  I refuse to worship science.  In the 1970's scientsts were ABSOLUTELY sure the world was getting colder...now it is ABSOLUTELY getting warmer.  Scientists are always considered right until they are wrong and get new data.  Which means most anything they "know" can and will change.  Of course, that fits society today in which values change and no behavior is actually wrong.


 


Jim


[/quote]


 


You have no clue.  ..then again, you believe in an invsible, shape but no shape form that lives outside all known laws of physicas, yet controls all laws of phyiscis.

Pooneil

GROUP: Members

POSTS: 1023

Report this Nov. 30 2013, 10:26 am

Quote: enhancesys @ Nov. 29 2013, 4:48 pm

Quote: buchworm @ Jul. 07 2013, 5:37 pm

>

>

>Different characters have different attitudes toward religion and have very different religions.  On the whole, the humans are less religious than the nonhumans.  None of the religious people are what many of us would call, "religious fundamentalists", though I would say that Kira gets close at times.

>

...and THAT is what made Kira an interesting character in DS9.  Before that she was just angry...like Torres from VOY.

 

As for the opening post in which the person openly equates religion to EVERYTHING bad that has ever happened and good only coming from "science"...Please remember, the 2 countries that murdered and mistreated more people than ANY others by far were China and the Soviet Union...both governments pushed an atheistic dogma.  Our world is becoming less Christian every day and with that decline comes more war, terrorism, famine, disease, etc. 

I am Christian.  I am also Chief Technology Officer for my company.  I appreciate how science reveals the patterns in the universe God created.  I refuse to worship science.  In the 1970's scientsts were ABSOLUTELY sure the world was getting colder...now it is ABSOLUTELY getting warmer.  Scientists are always considered right until they are wrong and get new data.  Which means most anything they "know" can and will change.  Of course, that fits society today in which values change and no behavior is actually wrong.

 

Jim


A little historical perspective to clear things up for you, Jim: First of all, China and Russia were busy slaughtering and enslaving each other (by the millions) long before their governments struck upon an "atheitic dogma". Blaming the violence of Stalinism or Mao's Cultural Revolution on atheism is like blaming terrorism on Islam -- it's a gross oversimplication that ignores the facts. Read through Russian or Chinese history and you'll see how little changed when the godless Commies took over. For example, the tsar Peter the Great, who modernized Russia in the early 18th century, conscripted tens of thousands of serfs to build his new capital city -- which he named Saint Petersburg, after a Christian saint.


Another little clarification on science: it is not religion, and the two should not be confused. Science is a process, a method of finding answers in the natural world. Scientists have theories, and, being fallible humans, they occasionally make mistakes. New data proves them wrong, but good scientists will accept it and move on. Anyone who treats science as a religious dogma is bound to get mixed up sooner or later, and anyone who worships science has got his head screwed on crookedly. Unlike religion, there's no ancient text providing scientists with all the answers.


A third clarification: Society has always experienced changing values and behavior, since the dawn of time. As a historian and archaeologist, I can tell you with absolute certainty that the cultural values of Western Civilization are in a constant state of flux, and the ideas we cling to today as "traditional values" date back no more than a century or so, and are geographically very specific. War, terrorism, famine, and disease all predate written history -- and organized religion -- so the state of modern Christianity should have little bearing on their occurence.

Forum Permissions

You cannot post new topics in this forum

You cannot reply to topics in this forum

You cannot delete posts in this forum