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A real Starfleet Academy?

Lang-haoLeeyoh

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Report this Apr. 04 2013, 11:06 am

Scientists rarely if ever use it, they get idea n' hope it will bring them fame, and then do everything they can to prove it, fighting anyone who oppose them.


and that is in pure science; most science today is telling people to do a small part of something, who don't have the edu to fully understand the whole, and then the project falls apart B4 its finished, and someone uses that something for commercial gain.


Also you seem to be assuming there is no god, but part of science method is accepting the greek truism that one cannot prove a negative, and assuming there is no god is making such an assumption; so I would suggest that before you ever heard of scientific method being used this way you were an athiest, and are using this as a way to push athiest views; and trying to say everyone need be like you would likely also carry over into governing structures, haivng a uniculture (which would happen to strongly resemble your culture), etcetera.


So I think we can assume those are subconscious, and thus appearing throughout all your ideas, rendering all your ideas unusable.

Lang-haoLeeyoh

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Report this Apr. 04 2013, 11:07 am

Scientists rarely if ever use it, they get idea n' hope it will bring them fame, and then do everything they can to prove it, fighting anyone who oppose them.


and that is in pure science; most science today is telling people to do a small part of something, who don't have the edu to fully understand the whole, and then the project falls apart B4 its finished, and someone uses that something for commercial gain.


Also you seem to be assuming there is no god, but part of science method is accepting the greek truism that one cannot prove a negative, and assuming there is no god is making such an assumption; so I would suggest that before you ever heard of scientific method being used this way you were an athiest, and are using this as a way to push athiest views; and trying to say everyone need be like you would likely also carry over into governing structures, haivng a uniculture (which would happen to strongly resemble your culture), etcetera.


So I think we can assume those are subconscious, and thus appearing throughout all your ideas, rendering all your ideas unusable.

Lang-haoLeeyoh

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Report this Apr. 04 2013, 11:29 am

I no say this to discourage work on this noble endeavor, but merely to remind you of American expression "The Road to hell is paved with good intentions" and that often these kind of discussions have less to do with trying to improve the world, then they do with the power trip of imagining one is running it. Which has been a trouble with every ruling body since the first government, its very easy to find people who want to rule, even more who want to change the whole structure of things; but near impossible to find people with an ego large enough so they think they can do so well, but not so large that they want to do it for reasons other than to feed that ego.


 


And of course if you do, and you trust the person who pulls them out of obscurity is doing so for everyone's good, and not producing a puppet; what's the expression "power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

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Report this Apr. 04 2013, 11:37 am

as i'm only trying to see what motivation/incentitive is, i'm postoing to see if we can get there from here. if you want to argue God/spirituality perhaps you should start a thread. however i see your points. If you have seen TNG God is an intersting topic. Perhaps you missed this point. 


i have posted alot of the bible, and noting but a coming of awareness. 


 


and this;


"You can tell what they are by what they do" matthew 7:16What You are shouts so loudly in my ears, i cannot hear what you say. So what we are communicates far more eloquently that anything we say or do. We are what we repeatedly do, excellence then is not an act, but a habit. Habits can be learned and un-learned, but i also know its not a quick fix. It involves a process and a tremendous commitment. Into every individual is a marvelous power of good and evil- the silent unconscious, unseen influence of their life. This is simply the constant radiation of what man really is, not what we pretend to be."




 


The principles you speak of are not esoteric, mysterious, religious, etc, they are self evident.




Now with that said, do you any views of a "starfleet" kind of culture, to become better people. 


now im not saying man is bad or good, i agree with picard in this one;




Hamlet:
What a piece of work is a man, how noble in reason, how
infinite in faculties, in form and moving how express and
admirable, in action how like an angel, in apprehension how like
a god! the beauty of the world, the paragon of animals—and yet,
to me, what is this quintessence of dust? Man delights not me—
nor woman neither, though by your smiling you seem to say so


Who's job is it to end poverty? Poverty refers to being unable to afford basic human needs, which commonly includes clean and fresh water, nutrition, health care, education, clothing and shelter.

Lang-haoLeeyoh

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Report this Apr. 04 2013, 12:45 pm

I was reading from the back to front, so maybe I missed some. TNG doesn't really deal with religion, thought DS9 did so immensely.  If you mean Q, I always thought of him as a sorcerer, he even dresses like one.


 


A quote from Watchmen "it doesn't take a genius to see the world's have problems" "No but it takes a room full of Id*(*&s to think they are small enough for you to solve"


 


Like I said, about 95% of my religion is Buddhism, which has no god, although does deal with Karma and reincarnation; you can think of the Old gods as Catholic saints, I don't get into the Earth Dragon and demons getting into the door e.g. Feng shui "Wind-Water".


 


But I can say, that Communist Party China is not what you want either; and Star Fleet is really realized communism after the govt steps away, but no people would ever step away from that power; and since it was also representing U.S. government and culture, they have an elected president, almost like the President of the United States, so for TOS the closest to Star Fleet you could get in 1960's USA, they ran the enterprise like a battleship, and sort of left the details of the government in vague broad strokes, and even in NTG whenever the cast deals with the federation, its always the military (not civilian) branch, and the Military branch is nearly identical to the USA military, so we can assume the rest of the GOVT was based upon the USA as well.


 


But more or less the suburbs being free from the evidence of what causes they’re privileges to exist, and thinking "couldn't I just have life a little bit easier, and see even less of the suffering that my life is based upon, and say we somehow cured all that suffering, but still has suburbia across the world" but I don't think they ever said how they did so. but in our world it takes about 6-billion of 7.14-billion people suffering to allow 50-100 million people to live in upper class suburbia in America; I think the true solution to those problems lies not in suburbia becoming better and by some means we've not yet conceived of bringing the rest of the world to they’re level, but by those in suburbia being willing to have a lower standard of living ==> say (4 America) billionaires becoming millionaires, millionaires becoming upper middle class, upper middle class becoming working class, and everyone having a liberal arts edu on top of any other EDU they’re profession requires.  And that would eliminate: poverty in the U.S. and allow the 3rd and developing world to stop being taken advantage of by foreign powers and advance at they’re own rate and under they’re own choice of government; but that assumes that no government fills the void, and nature hates a void.


 


But that's just my belief, I know its not very star fleet; but I feel unless people in those catagories aren't willing to become lowered, the rest fo the world will never be freed enough to do anything but support them in thier luxury, till the U.S. changes or collapses


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DeeBee Ortiz

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Report this Apr. 05 2013, 12:33 am

 



This is an awesome topic.  Personally, I love the idea of a Starfleet Academy type of university.  As I see it, our universities (especially in America) are slipping in quality of education.  They no longer prepare students for their lives, not just as working individuals, but as thinking members of society.  Students are no longer required to take core subjects, but instead can get past distribution requirements with obscure classes that mean little in the grand scheme of things.  Because of this, students often do not have a well-rounded education and share very little knowledge with each other. 



 



To me, the Starfleet education is all about being well-rounded; there is an emphasis on science, but students also read Shakespeare, study music, and learn about history and ethics.  Instead of teaching kids what to think, Starfleet Academy teaches them how to think.  Starfleet understood that stuffing kids full of knowledge does not make them smart, nor does it make them good citizens.  Through learning about such a wide range of subjects, cadets learn how to think critically and creatively, and they mature because their way of thinking changes.



 



The concept of Starfleet Academy has inspired me in my academic pursuits.  Ultimately, I want to be a doctor, but I’m interested in many topics and Star Trek made me realize that I don’t have to pursue just one of them to make it to medical school.  Next year when I go to the University, I will be studying bioengineering and violin, but I also hope to take some astrophysics and astronomy courses. 



 



I think America needs a Starfleet Academy.  However, I don’t think our government could set up that kind of school even if it wanted to.  The people in government don’t have the right mindset.  Neither do the people in non-profit organizations.  I think the only way a school like that could be funded would be if some space company really makes it big in asteroid mining or something like that in the next few decades.  At some point, there would be a billionaire with a lot of extra cash who would say, “I have a passion for learning and exploration and I want to pass that on to the next generation.”  This is how we got Duke, Stanford, Carnegie-Mellon, Vanderbilt, and the other “industrialist” universities, after all. 



 



Personally, I don’t think any of our problems are about greed or social responsibility or anything like that.  Our problems stem from two main issues: a lack of morality and a lack of logical thinking.  And guess what?  Morality and logical thinking are what Starfleet is all about!  Gene Roddenberry understood that there are universal morals and a concrete reality; these things are not open to interpretation.  If these two things could be learned by university students, we may in future generations be able to step back, put politics away, and solve the problems that we face in society.



 



Happy First Contact Day, everyone!  Fifty years until warp drive!



"...nowhere am I so desperately needed as among a shipload of illogical humans."

Keithmillernet

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Report this Apr. 05 2013, 9:10 am

The United Nations has a great "Outer Space" research development team.  It ranges from basic research to peaceful use of space to the future use of space.  With that being said, most of the discussions are on a research level where it would be hard to get the pulic's support.  They need a "citizen/consumer" area for involvement.


Until then, I have to say that STARFLEET, www.sfi.org, does have a good program.  As the Starfleet Academy classes from SFI are to be entertaining, as you continue to go through them, they are a valueble asset for information, especially the officer, operations, security, radio and medical courses, and even more in depth in the STARFLEET Marines Academy courses (sorry if I left a department out).


Yes, you do need to be a member of SFI to take the classes, but the classes are free when you do everything online or $1 or $2 + stamps if need to do by s-mail.  You can look at the courses, both STARFLEET Academy http://academy.sfi.org/ and STARFLEET Marine Academy http://sfmca.sfi-sfmc.org/ without joining or registering.  As a side note, SFI has both chapters that meet and coresspondence chapters.  I'd be happy to assist in any way.

humanityresurrected

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Report this Apr. 05 2013, 3:41 pm

 We could spend weeks, months, even years laboring with the "personal ethic" trying to change our attitudes and behaviours and not even begin to approach the phenomenon of change that occurs spontaneously when see things differently




i fogot to add proper quotes


"What You are shouts so loudly in my ears, i cannot hear what you say."   Emerson


"for every thousnad hacking at the leaves of good and evil, there is one stricking at the root. "


Thoreau


'Into every individual is a marvelous power of good and evil- the silent unconscious, unseen influence of their life. This is simply the constant radiation of what man really is, not what we pretend to be."


William George jordan




deeBee Ortiz typed;


T"o me, the Starfleet education is all about being well-rounded; there is an emphasis on science, but students also read Shakespeare, study music, and learn about history and ethics.  Instead of teaching kids what to think, Starfleet Academy teaches them how to think.  Starfleet understood that stuffing kids full of knowledge does not make them smart, nor does it make them good citizens.  Through learning about such a wide range of subjects, cadets learn how to think critically and creatively, andthey mature because their way of thinking changes."


 The concept of Starfleet Academy has inspired me in my academic pursuits.  Ultimately, I want to be a doctor, but I’m interested in many topics and Star Trek made me realize that I don’t have to pursue just one of them to make it to medical school.  Next year when I go to the University, I will be studying bioengineering and violin, but I also hope to take some astrophysics and astronomy courses"




sweet!




Great links Keithmillernet!


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Report this Apr. 05 2013, 4:54 pm

DeeBee - great comments.  really appreciate them.  have a great weekend.


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Report this Apr. 05 2013, 9:55 pm

Quote: DeeBee Ortiz @ Apr. 05 2013, 12:33 am

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>To me, the Starfleet education is all about being well-rounded; there is an emphasis on science, but students also read Shakespeare, study music, and learn about history and ethics.  Instead of teaching kids what to think, Starfleet Academy teaches them how to think.  Starfleet understood that stuffing kids full of knowledge does not make them smart, nor does it make them good citizens.  Through learning about such a wide range of subjects, cadets learn how to think critically and creatively, and they mature because their way of thinking changes.

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The way education works is that secondary and primary school have the core subjects -- at least basic numeracy, literacy, etc. -- and tertiary education is where you specialise. So I wouldn't be as quick to demand core subjects from the universities, as these are the places where students are supposed to get a deeper education into a specialist field. If any institution has failed to teach the core components of knowledge to students, it must be the secondary schools, which have the responsibility to give students the foundation that they need for specialist undergraduate study.


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Report this Apr. 06 2013, 3:16 am

Doesn't Earth have to be visited by Vulcans first,
BEFORE we can have a STARFLEET C0MMAND?!!
To say nothing about a STARFLEET ACADEMY?! This is
putting the cart before the horse, isn't it?! ... I mean,
BEFORE STARFLEET COMMAND, Humans had to have this
Great Awakening that ONLY alien visitation could've
brought on. And then only AFTER World War III ... !!!


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Report this Apr. 07 2013, 12:31 am

The idea is actually worth looking into because such an academy could create better relations between countries around the world.


 


The base should involve looking into religions of the world and find connections between different religions that have the same meaning.


Such connections would create a bond between two different religions that have come together for a common goal.


Since Star Fleet operates in space then associations with religions of different people on Earth would need to be made along the lines of religious phrases that have a connection to exploration in general.

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Report this May. 10 2013, 6:09 pm

I think that in order to have a StarFleet Academy, we would need worldwide peace and acceptance of others, which is something that is a bit of a utopian ideal. I mean a Federation would be needed, and more exploration into space. However that's just my idea.

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