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A real Starfleet Academy?

FleetAdmiral_BamBam

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Report this Mar. 29 2013, 12:59 pm

Maybe we should think of it a different way... how about looking at education in general.  Science and math is barely taught nowadays and I know that space science barely glossed over (beyond naming our planets.)

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Report this Mar. 29 2013, 1:16 pm

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Something I'll add separately.... those of us that have been in the military have a different perspective as we know the lack of innovation and imagination in government ran programs as much of that is squashed by bureaucrats.


And if we take a look at the three military academies.... while they do serve an extremely important function, they do not allow the freedom of individuals to try things differently.


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Ironically, I spoke not so long ago with a Russian that used to be a high ranking member in the Soviet Union and he voiced the same kind of problem. he said that if an individual came with an invention the Soviet Party would just make a log entry about it and put it in a box to be stored away.


 


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Maybe we should think of it a different way... how about looking at education in general.  Science and math is barely taught nowadays and I know that space science barely glossed over (beyond naming our planets.)


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That would also be part of the reason of being of such a organisation, since our educational system isn't really providing anymore.


Also, there's a growing feeling of lack of excitement amongst our youth because everything has become mondaine or numbed down. Another problem seems to be the global uniformity - no matter where you go, it's roughly all the same everywhere (well with a few exceptions ofcourse).


 


Make it so.

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Report this Mar. 29 2013, 1:25 pm

Quote: Devinoni @ Mar. 29 2013, 1:16 pm

>That would also be part of the reason of being of such a organisation, since our educational system isn't really providing anymore.
And remember who has been controlling the edewkayshun cystduuhhmm...

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Report this Mar. 29 2013, 1:46 pm

I don't think we can do much regarding our goverments, mine (I'm a European) isn't doing any better.


 


So, are we doomed to merely watch a better world on the screen or can we still hope for a better future?


 


That's it man game over man, game over! What the **** are we gonna do now? (oops wrong sci-fi quote).


Make it so.

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Report this Mar. 29 2013, 2:02 pm

Quote: Devinoni @ Mar. 29 2013, 1:46 pm

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>I don't think we can do much regarding our goverments, mine (I'm a European) isn't doing any better.

>So, are we doomed to merely watch a better world on the screen or can we still hope for a better future?

Absolutely NOT!  If you read my posts, it may seem like it's just complaining, but reality, it's warning people of what's going on as so many people really don't know and don't understand consequences.  I then point to solutions that have worked and will always work.


We have to have principles and understand WHY things happen the way they do and WHY people want things the way they do.  WHY do some people here support tyranny and WHY do some people here support liberty?


If we can watch "a better world" on TV, then that means there is a vision.  The question is, how to implement it.  Of course, some people's "better world" really isn't what it seems because it's fiction and not possible.  In other circumstances, a "better world" definitely is possible, but it takes a lot of work.


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Report this Mar. 29 2013, 2:27 pm

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Absolutely NOT!  If you read my posts, it may seem like it's just complaining, but reality, it's warning people of what's going on as so many people really don't know and don't understand consequences.  I then point to solutions that have worked and will always work.


We have to have principles and understand WHY things happen the way they do and WHY people want things the way they do.  WHY do some people here support tyranny and WHY do some people here support liberty?


If we can watch "a better world" on TV, then that means there is a vision.  The question is, how to implement it.  Of course, some people's "better world" really isn't what it seems because it's fiction and not possible.  In other circumstances, a "better world" definitely is possible, but it takes a lot of work.


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I'm sorry if I sounded offensive towards you, it was not my entention.


I agree with you to implement that vision of "a better world". Question is how? And can it be centralized in an organisation?


I already wear a Starfleet badge, and to me it means a great deal. It inspires me to be a better person.


However it remains a fictional item from a fictional world and I think it's a shame it can't have more of a value. That's where my initial idea came from.


 


Make it so.

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Report this Mar. 29 2013, 2:39 pm

Quote: Devinoni @ Mar. 29 2013, 2:27 pm

>I'm sorry if I sounded offensive towards you, it was not my entention.
I never took it as such.

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Report this Mar. 29 2013, 2:42 pm

Quote: Devinoni @ Mar. 29 2013, 2:27 pm

>I already wear a Starfleet badge, and to me it means a great deal. It inspires me to be a better person.

>However it remains a fictional item from a fictional world and I think it's a shame it can't have more of a value. That's where my initial idea came from.
Think of it this way - how many millions of people have been affected by Star Trek?  How many years has Star Trek been influencing society?  How many people have chosen careers due to Star Trek?

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Report this Mar. 29 2013, 2:49 pm

Quote: Devinoni @ Mar. 29 2013, 2:27 pm

>I agree with you to implement that vision of "a better world". Question is how? And can it be centralized in an organisation?
If it's limited to a centralized organization, then that means access will be limited to those that the organization allows.  Also, only ideas that the central organization thinks is politically acceptable will be allowed.


I'm not saying that there's no role for government, but their role should be limited to maximizing freedom for people to choose how to get to space.


Think about your life - what if everyone was forced to buy all their products from a single company.  Why should that company innovate?  Why couldn't they just lower their quality and limit the options down to one while raising their prices?


 


 


Let's say that person X was in charge of some central organization that had control of this and you came up with some great idea to propel a ship into space safely and quickly.  But let's say person X doesn't like you (for whatever reason).... there's no reason for them to even look at your idea, let alone work on it.

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Report this Mar. 31 2013, 9:34 pm


Think of it this way - how many millions of people have been affected by Star Trek?  How many years has Star Trek been influencing society?  How many people have chosen careers due to Star Trek?



That is correct. 





If it's limited to a centralized organization, then that means access will be limited to those that the organization allows.  Also, only ideas that the central organization thinks is politically acceptable will be allowed.


 


 



This was a poor choice of words on my part; I meant centralized around Gene Roddenberry's ideas.




I don't know, perhaps it's to early to start now.






Make it so.

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Report this Apr. 01 2013, 2:46 am

It would be wonderful to have a real-life Starfleet Academy, but it would probably be more like a vacation resort at this time.  Unless NASA or the European Space Agency or someone were connected with it, what would you do afterward?


As some of the others have said here, the philosophy espoused in Star Trek has not yet become widely enough accepted in our current society.


So, while it would be desirable, I think it would still be too utopian to be achieved today.


Var Miklama--Zakdorn, engineer. "A sound mind in a FULL body!" "Time, like latinum, is a limited quantity in the galaxy."

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Report this Apr. 01 2013, 3:56 am

Bam just tell those whom you are trying to warn about liberty and such, to read Ron Paul's book "Liberty Defined" 

If you cant read or dont have the time listen!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gSgyVI-FJA


 Devinoni I havent seen any goals, have i? Maybe write a story of how you see the acadamy? Its not an utopian, there is no plan. The difference between those whom cross the finish line and those whom do not, is a plan. 


 


"But it is more than just the gadgets, there's this whole complex humanitarian view of a better future. It's a vision of hope and possibilities, strength to overcome problems and find solutions."


"To give you a simple example: Star Trek speaks of a humanity that no longer use currency and money - so how would such a system be implemented?"
http://theplenty.org/


currency is a means to an end or the other way around. We are limited with the amount of money is in circulation. There are other currencys out there, and is to keep money as local as possible, because money can only circulate about three times before it leaves the state. 


 


Who's job is it to end poverty? Poverty refers to being unable to afford basic human needs, which commonly includes clean and fresh water, nutrition, health care, education, clothing and shelter.

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Report this Apr. 01 2013, 4:33 am

Devinoni typed 
"And that is why there should be a Academy in the first place, so that people could volunteer and sign up for a package of values and dedications."


Can We Get Some Volunteers, Please? Fewer boomers have been lending a hand lately, partly because they're looking for meaningful opportunities — for themselves


http://www.nextavenue.org/blog/can-we-get-some-volunteers-please


 


As far as paying for it, thats where grants come from, but first there needs to be a plan. To many (-) ideas and not enough (+) ideas. I have heard that cant be done enough, and there are no such things as an utopia, but there is always better. 


 



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 "Man will never reach the moon regardless of all future scientific advances. --Dr. Lee DeForest, "Father of Radio & Grandfather of Television." 


"The bomb will never go off. I speak as an expert in explosives." --Admiral William Leahy, US Atomic Bomb Project 


"There is no likelihood man can ever tap the power of the atom." --Robert Millikan, Nobel Prize in Physics, 1923 


"Computers in the future may weigh no more than 1.5 tons." --Popular Mechanics, forecasting the relentless march of science, 1949 


"I think there is a world market for maybe five computers." --Thomas Watson, chairman of IBM, 1943 


"I have traveled the length and breadth of this country and talked with the best people, and I can assure you that data processing is a fad that won't last out the year." --The editor in charge of business books for Prentice Hall, 1957 


"But what .. is it good for?" commenting on the microchip. --Engineer at the Advanced Computing Systems Division of IBM, 1968 


"640K ought to be enough for anybody." --Bill Gates, 1981 


"This 'telephone' has too many shortcomings to be seriously considered as a means of communication. The device is inherently of no value to us," --Western Union internal memo, 1876. 


"The wireless music box has no imaginable commercial value. 


Who would pay for a message sent to nobody in particular" --in response to urgings for investment in the radio in the 1920s. David Sarnoff' Associates.  


"The concept is interesting and well-formed, but in order to earn better than a 'C', the idea must be feasible," 


-- A Yale University management professor in response to Fred Smith's paper proposing reliable overnight delivery service. 


(Smith went on to found Federal Express Corp.) 


"I'm just glad it'll be Clark Gable who's falls on his face, not Gary Cooper," --Gary Cooper on his decision not to take the leading role in Gone With The Wind. 


"A cookie store is a bad idea. Besides, the market research reports say America likes crispy cookies, not soft and chewy cookies like you make," 


-- Response to Debbi Fields' idea of starting Mrs. Fields' Cookies. 


"We don't like their sound, and guitar music is on the way out," 


-- Decca Recording Co. rejecting the Beatles, 1962. 


"Heavier-than-air flying machines are impossible," 


-- Lord Kelvin, president Royal Society, 1895. 


"If I had thought about it, I wouldn't have done the experiment. The literature was full of examples that said you can't do this," 


-- Spencer Silver on the work that led to the unique adhesives 


for 3-M "Post-It" Notepads. 


"Drill for oil? You mean drill into the ground to try and find oil? You're crazy," 


-- Drillers who Edwin L. Drake tried to enlist to his project to drill for oil, 1859. 


"Stocks have reached what looks like a permanently high plateau." 


-- Irving Fisher, Professor of Economics, Yale University , 1929. 


"Airplanes are interesting toys but of no military value," 


-- Marechal Ferdinand Foch, Professor of Strategy, Ecole Superieure de Guerre, France . 


"Everything that can be invented has been invented," 


-- Charles H. Duell, Commissioner, US Office of Patents, 1899. 


"The super computer is technologically impossible. It would take all of the water that flows over Niagara Falls to cool the heat generated by the number of vacuum tubes required. "Professor of Electrical Engineering, New York University. 


"I don't know what use any one could find for a machine that would make copies of documents. It certainly couldn't be a feasible business by itself. -the head of IBM, refusing to back the idea, forcing the inventor to found Xerox. 


"Louis Pasteur's theory of germs is ridiculous fiction." 


-- Pierre Pachet, Professor of Physiology at Toulouse, 1872. 


"The abdomen, the chest, and the brain will forever be shut from the intrusion of the wise and humane surgeon," 


-- Sir John Eric Ericksen, British surgeon, appointed Surgeon-Extraordinary to Queen Victoria 1873. 


And last but not least... 


"There is no reason anyone would want a computer in their home." 


-- Ken Olson, president, chairman, founder of Digital Equipment Corp. 1977. 




Who's job is it to end poverty? Poverty refers to being unable to afford basic human needs, which commonly includes clean and fresh water, nutrition, health care, education, clothing and shelter.

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Report this Apr. 01 2013, 4:33 pm

the teachers at school say the parents need to be more involved. So the only thing you are asking is for the adults to step up.
 
Goals long term/short term 
My physical goal is to start eating right, starting with three meals a day
 
    A. Appalachian trail adventure. (take six months to complete)   When Feb 15, 2014
 
    B. get up early enough to walk in the AM                                    when April 2, 21013 5:am
 
My family goal is to spend quality time with  family, other than than T.V.
 
    A. skits at the retirement home/nursing home. (start rehearsing)       when April 2 2013 7PM M-Thur
 
    B. dance class with spouse.                                                       when april5 2013 7PM
 
    C. call mom every night
 
    d. create experiences that do not cost money
 
My financial goals is not to depend on others for my financial security. 
 
    A. retirement savings, 401K,IRA,CD                                            when
 
    b. property or securities                                                                  when
 
    c. invest mutual funds                                                              when
 
    d. business capital                                    dont forget to set dates
 
my professional goal is to educate myself so i can be interdependent
 
    A. continuing skills
 
    b. education
 
    c. professional society or license
 
My community support goal is to help wherever i can
 
     a. service organizations
 
     b. volunteer work
 
     c. civic office or committees
 
     d walk/bike a thons
 
     e. start a share program. (we only use the car one hour a day/ we check out jet ski/golf clubs/etc just
 
             like we are at the library.) 
 
my mental goal is to broaden my horizon (this will be tough for most adults, only do enough to survive)
 
     a. read non-fiction
 
     b. literature & books
 
     c, self-improvement course
 
     d. improve vocabulary (most use 450 words of 450,000 to use)
 
My social goal is to stop being a hermit crab
 
     a. make new friends
 
     b. dress & look your best
 
     c. club activities
 
     d, new recreational pursuits
 
my spiritual goal is to love and be loved
 
     a. meditate
 
     b. serve others
 
 
 
 
 
Be sure to add your goals! 

Who's job is it to end poverty? Poverty refers to being unable to afford basic human needs, which commonly includes clean and fresh water, nutrition, health care, education, clothing and shelter.

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Report this Apr. 02 2013, 5:48 am

What does being a Park Ranger Jr have to do with Star Fleet? Its Earth, the one thing Star Trek geeks love the most. We dont even know everthing about our Oceans! 


 http://jrranger.southcarolinaparks.com/become_one/activities/


To become a South Carolina State Park Junior Ranger, complete


the following activities. 


• Find and name three special plants or animals


• Recycle 


• Learn how to be safe in the park (and on the beach, if 


you're visiting the coast). 


• Interview a South Carolina State Park ranger. (Use the


“Interview with a Park Ranger” sheet.)


 


To become a South Carolina State Park Junior Ranger II, do the


following activities: 


• Complete the “Living on a State Park” activity sheet 


attached to this packet. 


• Help a Park ranger by picking up any trash you may find and 


disposing of it properly. 


• Answer the attached “State Park Question Sheet.”


• Visit 2 state parks (Have a ranger stamp your passport 


when you visit a state park as proof).


 


To become a South Carolina State Park Junior Ranger III, do the


following activities: 


• Attend a program at any state park (Use the sheet, “I 


Attended A Program.&rdquo 


• Describe your favorite state park (Use thesheet, "My


Favorite State Park.")


• Prove you have visited 4 state parks (Have a ranger stamp 


your passport when you visit a state park as proof).


• Recruit a new Junior Ranger.


 


Who's job is it to end poverty? Poverty refers to being unable to afford basic human needs, which commonly includes clean and fresh water, nutrition, health care, education, clothing and shelter.

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