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A real Starfleet Academy?

Devinoni

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Report this Mar. 26 2013, 12:19 pm

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Star Trek has always been a vehicule for ideas. Gene Roddenberry was smart enough to realize that writting a manifest of ideas would never have cut it. So he cleverly disguised them into a tv series. And with that comes the genuis, because not only does it brings his ideas it also give the others a broad reference of how the ideas work on a practical level.


[/quote]Absolutely!  He was able to address major social and political issues using fiction.  That show has affected many of our lives.


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That's right, and not only did it affect many of our lives - it has proven to be valid, even though it started out as being fiction. Today we have portable cellphones, touch-screens, tabblets... but when Gene envisioned them they still where considered fictious - some people probably waved it as ridicule back then, yet here we are.


But it is more than just the gadgets, there's this whole complex humanitarian view of a better future. It's a vision of hope and possibilities, strength to overcome problems and find solutions.


It's something people can invision too and decide to go for. They can choose and say: I want to go for a future like that, I share the vision of Gene.


And in my opinion a real Academy can only strengthen those who want to go in that direction. No longer will those ideas be dismissed as "it's just from a tv show".


 


Make it so.

Mitchz95

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Report this Mar. 26 2013, 12:45 pm

Quote: FleetAdmiral_BamBam @ Mar. 26 2013, 10:44 am

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>And this is where I very much disagree.  "Social responsibility" is just another term for slavery where one group of people owes their effort to another.  Remember, when one earns money, it's because they met someone else's need via a voluntary transaction.  Nobody is responsible for me other than me.

>Even kids know that "social responsibility" is bogus when we put it in terms of their lives.... take a student who works hard and earns an 'A' on their test.....  to be "socially responsible," they must give up that A and give part of their grade to another student who didn't even try and failed.  Everyone then gets a "C", so why try?

>Anyway... our schools have pretty much stopped teaching core (reading, writing, math, science, etc.) and has gone towards that "social responsibility" stuff... which is badly affecting our competitive edge with other countries.  We keep spending more and more money on that... while our kids' scores and abilities go down.

>We have to work hard and earn our way into space, not wait for someone else to do it.

>Getting into space should be people's choice, not controlled by someone else.

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I didn't mean to imply we should be more socialist. I just meant that we should better teach people why it makes sense to think beyond themselves. As far as I can tell, that's the only way to bring about a future like the one in Star Trek.


If you have a better alternative, please share. (Not trying to sound adversarial, I just want to understand your position better).


"The future is in the hands of those who explore... And from all the beauty they discover while crossing perpetually receding frontiers, they develop for nature and for humankind an infinite love." - Jacques Yves Cousteau

FleetAdmiral_BamBam

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Report this Mar. 26 2013, 1:39 pm

Quote: Devinoni @ Mar. 26 2013, 11:57 am

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>And that is why there should be a Academy in the first place, so that people could volunteer and sign up for a package of values and dedications.

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And who's going to pay for it?

That is a valid question, one that needs to be addressed if a real Academy is in the making.

Most likely it would start of as a non-profit organisation, something in the lines of the World Wildlife Fund or Greenpeace.

I do not have all the answers as to how to go about it, but I believe there are people out there with the required expertise that could help out.

Definitely something that can add to, but not be the foundation of building something that important.  It needs something sustainable.

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Report this Mar. 26 2013, 1:53 pm

Quote: Mitchz95 @ Mar. 26 2013, 12:45 pm

Quote: FleetAdmiral_BamBam @ Mar. 26 2013, 10:44 am

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>And this is where I very much disagree.  "Social responsibility" is just another term for slavery where one group of people owes their effort to another.  Remember, when one earns money, it's because they met someone else's need via a voluntary transaction.  Nobody is responsible for me other than me.

>Even kids know that "social responsibility" is bogus when we put it in terms of their lives.... take a student who works hard and earns an 'A' on their test.....  to be "socially responsible," they must give up that A and give part of their grade to another student who didn't even try and failed.  Everyone then gets a "C", so why try?

>Anyway... our schools have pretty much stopped teaching core (reading, writing, math, science, etc.) and has gone towards that "social responsibility" stuff... which is badly affecting our competitive edge with other countries.  We keep spending more and more money on that... while our kids' scores and abilities go down.

>We have to work hard and earn our way into space, not wait for someone else to do it.

>Getting into space should be people's choice, not controlled by someone else.

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I didn't mean to imply we should be more socialist. I just meant that we should better teach people why it makes sense to think beyond themselves. As far as I can tell, that's the only way to bring about a future like the one in Star Trek.

If you have a better alternative, please share. (Not trying to sound adversarial, I just want to understand your position better).

I was hoping you weren't trying to be socialist, but "social responsibility" is a major plank of socialism... an excuse to allow the government to subvert individual rights for the collective.  "You have a responsibililty to society!"


 


True capitalists think beyond themselves more than anyone else as they have to in order to succeed.  I have to figure out what my customers want/need and then invest my own time/money to create products/services that the customer values.  I then reinvest those earnings back into the business to create even better products/services for my customers. I may succeed or I may fail, but that's my consequences.


This is what made America so strong - nobody telling individuals what to do, but individuals discovering for themselves what they can do.  That mindset is what we need to take us to the stars - people coming up with new ideas to take us into space.  We'll then build on that success to to even greater feats.  Just like we use principles learned hundreds of years ago to make our cars move and our planes fly... someone will have an idea that will successfully take us to other planets in our solar system.... and possibly other solar systems.  The more ideas we have, the higher the probability that one (or multiple) will work.


 


I think we all want to get us into space, but do we limit ourselves to only a single idea that's legislated by politicians, or do we allow creativity to flourish and have multiple ideas to attempt the challenge?

Devinoni

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Report this Mar. 26 2013, 2:01 pm

[quote]Definitely something that can add to, but not be the foundation of building something that important.  It needs something sustainable.


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Like I said, all sugestions are welcome. The point is to start somewhere somehow, and I have no doubt there will be lots of issues that needs resolving. Good preparation is needed, so if this is going to be a reality we'll gonna need a serious plan.


For now, all input is greatly appreciated.


Make it so.

Devinoni

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Report this Mar. 26 2013, 2:30 pm

Now the biggest advantage is that we have Gene's vision, a blue print we can use to turn it into a real life application. It's a fantastic reference and a way to know how to conduct things. 


 


Make it so.

humanityresurrected

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Report this Mar. 26 2013, 3:51 pm

"Ten action steps towards our goal"
1. Set short range goals that build toward your long range purpose.
2.. Set goals that are just out of reach, but not out of site. 

3. Get group reinforcement by surrounding your self with motivated individuals interested in the same achievement. 

4. Establish a reward or ceremony in advance so that you will have something specific to celebrate upon the accomplishment of each of your goals. 

5. Try a different kind of New Years Celebration. (why couldn't new years be everyday, who made that law?)

6. Use a computer or desktop calender to set your goals for next month. 

7. Use a pocket week at glance calender, or just the back of a few used office papers, to set your activities for next week, that will take you step by step toward your monthly and annual goals. 

8. cut out 8x11 paper to set the most important goals of all-your daily priorities. You could even decorate a little box to your liking. 

9. Dont share your goals with negative people or cynics. 

10. Dont depend on the government for long range financial security.



"Ten action steps toward creativity" 1. How many of us fit this personality? 

A few characteristics pf creative individuals

*optimistic about the future
*constructive discontent with status quo
*highly curious and observant
*open to alternatives
*daydreamer, projection int the future
*adventurous, with multiple interest
* ability to recognize and break bad habits
*independent thinker
*whole brain thinker(innovative ideas into practical solutions)

2. Are you a left or right brain dominant? 
A. is your work space neat and orderly? your car? your garage? and so on
b. do you prefer to complete one task before starting another?
c. do you like to talk things out at the same time as they occur? 
d. do you like many varieties of food, deserts, restaurants, and do you eat at a variety of times? 
e. do you usually watch TV at a certain times or do you prefer a a routine of certain programs? 
f. are you weekends full of new activities and rarely the same? 
g. do you like art, soft music and jigsaw puzzles? ( two of three)
If you answered yes to A,B,C and E and no to DFG left brain maybe. If yes to DFG and no to ABC and E right brain

3. dont fall in love with an invention or idea. Ideas are expandable and there always a new and better one. Challenge yourself to make them work and get them into practical use. 

4. Learn a relaxation technique that works for you. Your creative imagination can be pre played and re played best when your relaxed, because the left brain dominance is less intense and the right brain is receptive to your visual and certain audio suggestions. There are plenty of youtube videos that describe passive relaxation, progressive muscle relaxation, deep breathing and bio feed back Technics. Try a few different methods until you find one you like. 

5. When you visualize yourself in the present as if you were already accomplishing one of your goals, make certain your visual image is as you would see it out of your own eyes, not watching you do it through the eyes of the spectator. 

6.dont scold or berate yourself with left brain criticism when you make a mistake, develop an affirmative statement about five words in length, describing your correct performance, In the past tense relax and listen to yourself state the affirmation and visualize the accompanying action and feeling.

7. to recognize and approach problems creatively. It is best to view all problems as situations needing improvement. Temporary inconveniences and opportunities to grow. change your view or attitude toward problems. 

8 talking about ideas and plans needs to be balanced by trying them out. Theory and practice converge into wholeness. Field test your ideas. 

9.When approaching any decision, consider Benjamin Franklin said was his standard method for decision making. Put two column headings on a piece of paper, marked advantages and disadvantages,. In the advantage column list all the benefits and positive you would receive if you go forward with you decision. list all the disadvantages and potential consequences of your decision on the second column. Study the possible result (impact) on the advantages and disadvantages. In your opinion advantages outweigh the disadvantage and if you can live with the consequences as well as the positive benefits, then go forward with your decision. 

10.Take time to ride your bike, build sandcastles, fly a kite, smell the roses, walk in the woods or barefoot in the sand. We adults need to explore the wonderful, right brain world of the creative child within. 10 best secrets to activism 1. the first best kept secrete of activism is that we must feel love from the inside ourselves before we can give love to others. 


10 best secrets to activism
1. the first best kept secrete of activism is that we must feel love from the inside ourselves before we can give love to others.

2. The 2 is that our minds cant tell the difference between real experince and the one that is vividly and repatedly imagined. 

3. It that our rewards in life will depend on the quality and amout of contribution we make. 

4.is a large vocabulary whick implies broad general knowledge- characterizes the more successful persons, regardless of their occupation. 

5.is the reason so many individuals fail to achieve their goals in life is that they never really set them in the first place. 

6. is that a touch is worth a thousand words. 

7. is that life i a self fulfilling prophecy, you want necessarily get what you want in life, but in the long run you will usually get what you expect.

8. is that the good ole days are here now. 

9. is that winners wprk at doing things that the majority of the population are not willing to do in life. 

10. "Ten action steps toward Responsibility" 1. When children are old enough to understand, they should know the chores they have, and do them for no money. 




"Ten action steps toward Responsibility"
1. When children are old enough to understand, they should know the chores they have, and do them for no money.
2. Responsibilities should be set for each family member. Payment may be in the form of strokes allowances or special privileges. 

3. Alternate forms of diversion should be planned like plays, books, concerts, recitals, musems, seminares, educational video, walks, talks, ghost stories, games, anything to stimulate creative imagination and get control. 

4. Know where your children are an who their friends are. Be consistent in your demands for punishment. (Meet parents and discuss) 

5.Dont buy children anything, give them the education and tools they need to make what they may want. 

6. Carry out the motto Life is a do it yourself project. With a problem brought before you, ask the person what would you do, give the solution without doing it yourself. 

7.Never preach what you dont practice. 

8. Be a role model for your peers and those you want to lead. 

9. Show your children by not punishing them for their mistakes. thats part of the learning process. 

10. Never make excuses for anything. If a commitment cant be made or met, call immediately, don't make up excuses after the fact. What can anyone add to make yourself love this even more?

we the people are the ones whom create the future. 
http://www.eoslife.eu/vision
http://piratepad.net/TIHzRB3KVu
http://piratepad.net/zNIloAOACb
http://www.thelightsinthetunnel.com/
http://rbose.org/wiki/RBOSE:Blueprint

newts52pat

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Report this Mar. 26 2013, 4:34 pm

We would have to learn from the mistakes that have been made all over the world, that have created so many problems for a global society.  Also we must not leave garbage around in space like we see in public places like parks.  A curious mind is a wonderful thing, as well as respect, tollerance and the ability to listen to other peoples point of view. etc.  It all sounds interesting though.


newts52pat

Mitchz95

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Report this Mar. 26 2013, 7:51 pm

Quote: FleetAdmiral_BamBam @ Mar. 26 2013, 1:53 pm

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>I was hoping you weren't trying to be socialist, but "social responsibility" is a major plank of socialism... an excuse to allow the government to subvert individual rights for the collective.  "You have a responsibililty to society!"

>True capitalists think beyond themselves more than anyone else as they have to in order to succeed.  I have to figure out what my customers want/need and then invest my own time/money to create products/services that the customer values.  I then reinvest those earnings back into the business to create even better products/services for my customers. I may succeed or I may fail, but that's my consequences.

>This is what made America so strong - nobody telling individuals what to do, but individuals discovering for themselves what they can do.  That mindset is what we need to take us to the stars - people coming up with new ideas to take us into space.  We'll then build on that success to to even greater feats.  Just like we use principles learned hundreds of years ago to make our cars move and our planes fly... someone will have an idea that will successfully take us to other planets in our solar system.... and possibly other solar systems.  The more ideas we have, the higher the probability that one (or multiple) will work.

>I think we all want to get us into space, but do we limit ourselves to only a single idea that's legislated by politicians, or do we allow creativity to flourish and have multiple ideas to attempt the challenge?

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The only problem I see with that kind of mindset is that not a ton of business owners really care about their customers. Most of the time, when business owners see new customers, they only see big dollar signs. And they will do everything in their power to suck up as much money as possible from everybody they can, whether it's ethical or not.


 


My point is, while the kind of capitalism you describe certainly gets things accomplished, it generates a lot of crooked people who couldn't care less whether humanity survives past their lifetime. They go into business for themselves , spend everything they get on themselves, and hope they're dead by the time civilization finally collapses. While there are some people who use their money and resources to make the world a better place, usually they're in the minority.


 


Maybe I'm just being cynical. I don't know. All those stories about crooked businessmen and politicians in the news might be getting to me. I'm only 18; I don't have a lot of personal experience in the workforce yet. I certainly hope I'm wrong!


"The future is in the hands of those who explore... And from all the beauty they discover while crossing perpetually receding frontiers, they develop for nature and for humankind an infinite love." - Jacques Yves Cousteau

Devinoni

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Report this Mar. 26 2013, 10:33 pm

@ humanityresurrected:  Thank you for your input, some of this points will surely come in handy.


 


@ Mitchz95 & FleetAdmiral BamBam: We may not al share the same ideas or have similar opinions, we are all entitled to our opinions. And as such both your points are valid. We are not trying to establish the Borg collective with a single hive mind mentality, but a working model for a Starfleet Academy. And as such we accept each other's opinion, and we accept that we may not agree but we realize that we still can work together because we agree on a common goal: Starfleet Academy.


@ newts52pat: Indeed it would be wise to learn from our mistakes if we don't wish to repeat them. And it also make sense that if someone will join Starfleet, it's to embrase and accepts certain values and codes of conduct.


That is again the beauty of Gene's vision; Starfleet doesn't force people into it rangs nor does it dictates society or politics. People join Starfleet out of free will because they feel in accordance to it's values.


Make it so.

starfan97

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Report this Mar. 29 2013, 8:46 am

I think tha in theory, having a Starfleet Academy is a great idea. A way for space junkies like myself to learn more about this giant universe. Flying/ building space ships capable of warp speeds( which by the way people have been experimenting on) and learning as muchas we can avout the things we love


However, I do not  believe our world is currently set up for something to this extent. The most that we could probably do is make a section in some college dedicated to learning about space. Also, there are just not enough people now who are interested in the arena of space. 


I think that at sometime in the future, there will be both the interest and the right set up to make such a thing as the Starfleet academy. And I would go there in a heartbeat

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Report this Mar. 29 2013, 11:25 am

Quote: Mitchz95 @ Mar. 26 2013, 7:51 pm

>The only problem I see with that kind of mindset is that not a ton of business owners really care about their customers. Most of the time, when business owners see new customers, they only see big dollar signs. And they will do everything in their power to suck up as much money as possible from everybody they can, whether it's ethical or not.

>My point is, while the kind of capitalism you describe certainly gets things accomplished, it generates a lot of crooked people who couldn't care less whether humanity survives past their lifetime. They go into business for themselves , spend everything they get on themselves, and hope they're dead by the time civilization finally collapses. While there are some people who use their money and resources to make the world a better place, usually they're in the minority.

>Maybe I'm just being cynical. I don't know. All those stories about crooked businessmen and politicians in the news might be getting to me. I'm only 18; I don't have a lot of personal experience in the workforce yet. I certainly hope I'm wrong!
Yes and no.  Yes, there are companies that don't really care about their customers... but if they don't provide what their customers want, they go out of business.  Businesses can't control their customers - can't force them to buy their products.


Governments on the other hand don't have to care about the citizens and do pretty much anything they want.... and they do control the citizens via force.


If a businessman spent "everything they get on themselves," then they couldn't grow their businesses because they would have spent that capital.  We have no choices when it comes to government


But I suggest that you do a little research into philanthropists - people that use their wealth to help others.  Bill Gates is trying to eradicate polio. Jon Huntsman Sr. is working to get rid of cancer.  There are thousands of others....


Yes... there are definitely evil people, but there are good people too.  That's the nice thing with us having choices - we can choose who we deal with if we have freedom.


 


And please take what you hear in the "news" with a grain of salt - the lamestream propoganda machine has their agenda too.  They like telling you only part of the story instead of the whole thing.  They also like creating stories (by editing stuff) when nothing really happened.

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Report this Mar. 29 2013, 12:23 pm

Something I'll add separately.... those of us that have been in the military have a different perspective as we know the lack of innovation and imagination in government ran programs as much of that is squashed by bureaucrats.


And if we take a look at the three military academies.... while they do serve an extremely important function, they do not allow the freedom of individuals to try things differently.

Devinoni

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Report this Mar. 29 2013, 12:39 pm

After poundering some more I realize that my question is perhaps misphrased. I called it Starfleet Academy and ofcourse everybody thinks Starships and crew formations, that makes sense and  perhaps it is indeed to premature since we still are in a very early stage of anything close to space travel.


 


I do however recognize a real potential in what I like to call Gene Roddenberry's vision of a future humanity as so well depicted in Star Trek. And with "real potential" I think along the lines of a real life organization (please feel free to suggest names) that would take these ideas and implement them in real life.  That would be challanged by ideas that have not yet been accomplished, not only technologically but also in other areas.


To give you a simple example: Star Trek speaks of a humanity that no longer use currency and money - so how would such a system be implemented?


I would love to hear your thoughts.


 


 


Make it so.

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Report this Mar. 29 2013, 12:58 pm

Quote: Devinoni @ Mar. 29 2013, 12:39 pm

>To give you a simple example: Star Trek speaks of a humanity that no longer use currency and money - so how would such a system be implemented?
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