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the way Data died

pollard/st

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Report this Mar. 24 2013, 3:23 pm

i was wondering, if star trek made a new sereis, based in the prime universe, and they brought Data back, how would they explain how he survived the explosion of the scimitar, and do you think it would work?

FleetAdmiral_BamBam

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Report this Mar. 24 2013, 3:39 pm

This is discussed in the books.  Are you looking for something different?

pollard/st

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Report this Mar. 24 2013, 3:49 pm

no, i am just a kid cant afford the books, but i would still like to know about it

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Report this Mar. 24 2013, 4:15 pm

pollard/st, do you remember in Nemesis,
when Geordi connected Data to B4 and they
shared programs for a little while? That
kind of put all of Data's memories into him,
so that, through B4, Data could come back
to life. It would work, as long as Brent Spiner
came back and played as him, again ...
which would have seemed unlikely. He really
hated being stuck in all that paint all day.


pollard/st

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Report this Mar. 24 2013, 4:24 pm

i been wondering if that would work, but i remembered that b4 was inferior to data, and so that could stop him from attaining the level of self awareness that data had acheived.   


any thoughts?

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Report this Mar. 24 2013, 4:32 pm

Right. If B4 wasn't so unsophistocated
and dysfunctional, having Data take over
his personality might not be acceptable.
Also, if the actor playing him did come back,
he could play Data in a different way, this time,
because of B4's limitations. Or ... he could make
B4 more advanced to bring him up to Data's speed.
Either way, B4 was the sequel set up to bring back
Data. That would be cool, do you think? Sounds good?


pollard/st

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Report this Mar. 24 2013, 4:59 pm

yes that sounds pretty cool, thanks


 

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Report this Mar. 25 2013, 7:24 pm

It might be possible to bring Data/B4 back at some point as a CGI animated character. Having Brent Spiner play him wouldn't work very well since it would be obvious that Data had aged even though he isn't supposed to. Brent Spiner could probably do the voice of a CGI animated Data/B4 though.

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Report this Mar. 27 2013, 9:24 pm

Killing him off was dumb in the first place. Star Trek II showed how a main character's death can be impactful when done right. Data deserved better and it just felt so cheap, much like that entire movie.

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Report this Mar. 28 2013, 4:57 am

Brent Spiner was getting too old to play Data though which is probably the main reason he was killed off in the first place. And besides an identical looking replacement android was left to leave the door open for Data/B4 to return at some point as a CGI character or something.

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Report this Mar. 28 2013, 9:58 am

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Brent Spiner was getting too old to play Data though which is probably the main reason he was killed off in the first place. And besides an identical looking replacement android was left to leave the door open for Data/B4 to return at some point as a CGI character or something.


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Well creating B4 (which was handled very poorly and kinda stupid) kind of cancels out the reason being Spriner didn't want to play the character anymore or was getting too old. The existence of B4 and him being around at the end even cheapened Data's death more so.


Imagine a clone of Spock standing arounf at the end of Wrath of Khan.

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Report this Mar. 28 2013, 11:28 am

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Report this Mar. 28 2013, 12:19 pm

Quote: Dread Fox @ Mar. 28 2013, 9:58 am

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>Well creating B4 (which was handled very poorly and kinda stupid) kind of cancels out the reason being Spriner didn't want to play the character anymore or was getting too old. The existence of B4 and him being around at the end even cheapened Data's death more so.

>Imagine a clone of Spock standing arounf at the end of Wrath of Khan.

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ST:III came out right after ST:II and picked up where it left off, so there was obviously no need for a Spock Clone.


In the last episode of "Star Trek:Enterprise" Brent Spiner wanted to be in it as Data along with Riker/Troi, but he only had an off-screen speaking role as the android since it was too obvious that he had aged a lot when the episode aired in 2005.


 


 

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Report this Mar. 30 2013, 7:54 pm

There's numerous was that they could say that Data survived or was salvaged from the Scimitar. This is Star Trek and they do unlikely things all the time.

As far as Spiner's age becoming a problem for the character I agree.I would like to see the very simple solution of Data deciding to dramatically alter his appearance on purpose.They could say that he wants to have it not be quite so obvious that he's the Android Data when meeting new people or that he felt his ageless appearance might cause his friends to feel secretly resentful.

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Report this Apr. 02 2013, 8:45 am

From most to least favored (by my)


#1 have B4 become more and more data-like, but be a completely dif journey, so its not rehashing anything


#2 time travel, they go back and visit a time when he was still alive, for a completely irrelevant reason, and completely by accident, anywhere between 1/3 of way through to nealy the end, depending upon weather main plot or suprise ending or any in-between; have him pure coincidently be brought back wif them, as he to honorable to disrupt time line


#3 alternate timeline


#4 Q, need I say more


#5 transporter log either allow full reconstitution or to scrample B4's brain


#6 dream character


#7 hologram


#8 another robot is found, identical to data, and Geordi manage download memories from record of Data ==> B4 download


#9 Romulans use a black hole (which may be similar to wormholes in some respects) have it turn into some kind of wormhole when the romulan ship is destroyed (by its destruction) having Data appear whole and healthy at time n' place of new movie/series


#10 Download transfer eco take on consciousness wifin entiprise computer and either in cyber reality there (which may have to just be a voice as B. S. said he no do more cus' ppl wud ask Y Data look so old) or channel into B4 as stated above


#11 experimental transport of minute amounts of valuable materials in space on the atomic and sub atomic level, comnstructing them into bricks of gold or something and they instead make data somehow out of his atomized parts


#12 Someone tells Soong what will happen when he was a young man, and he finds a way to make another data, and transfer the consciousness of the real date into it


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