Holo GROUP: Members POSTS: 81 |
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Apr. 13 2013, 8:55 pm
Quote: christina.miracle @ Apr. 13 2013, 5:31 pm | >I feel like she changed history for more than just Seven. What about Tuvok? Had he gotten home sooner he could be cured of the degenerative neurological disorder he had. Tuvok was very dear to her. Chakotay also dies shortly after returning because of being hurt over losing Seven. |
Whether she did it to save one person or a thousand people is irrelevent. As a Starfleet officer, she knows the risks of playing with the timeline. Imagine if the Borg in the past got a hold of that shuttle. Or if Chakotay were the next Edith Keeler. Her actions have consequences for BILLIONS of lives, not only in the Alpha Quadrant, but everywhere Voyager would have gone in that 26 years.
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Apr. 14 2013, 3:35 pm
I know what you mean, Christina. The reason Endgame bugs me so much is because I love Voyager and feel cheated of an ending. Had there been no C/7 in it, then the series would be near perfect to me too. But I can't relate to much of anything in the finale because of that relationship. J/C would have been far more inkeeping with the series. I will never understand why, when they knew how popular they are, they decided to pair him with someone else in the very last episode. But the tptb know it was a mistake, which is why it was dropped in the books, and I guess everything happens for a reason. I still wish we had got J/C though.
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Apr. 20 2013, 5:11 pm
I just watched the episode "Shattered"....and it just keeps bringing up this issue for me. At the end of the episode just before they brought Voyager back into time sync, Janeway asked Chakotay about how close they got. It just killed me when he says they didn't cross some barriers. That should have the green light for that to change when he got back. Dang them writers for screwing with their relationship....grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.......
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Chief Warrant Officer Finn GROUP: Members POSTS: 321 |
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Apr. 24 2013, 10:56 am
It seemed rushed. I think they should have split it up in a 4 episode arch, and finished it gracefully. I immediately read Homecoming when it came out because I really, really wanted to know what happened.
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Apr. 24 2013, 11:39 am
Endgame could have been done without the time travel element. It would have required a tiny plot change and the same basic story would be the same.
It would just require Seven knowing ahead of time that there was a hub in there. At that point they could have com up with some story to get them through all those borg ships and into the nebula. for example enlisting the help of the freed borg from unimatrix zero
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KelisThePoet GROUP: Members POSTS: 584 |
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Apr. 24 2013, 12:51 pm
But Seven did not "end up" with Chakotay. They did not get married (apart from events in an alternate timeline). They did not even have a serious, long-term relationship. They went on a handful of dates.
Falor was a prosperous merchant who went on a journey to gain greater awareness:
Through storms he crossed the Voroth Sea/ To reach the clouded shores of Raal/ Where old T’Para offered truth./ He traveled through the windswept hills/ And crossed the barren Fire Plains/ To find the silent monks of Kir./ Still unfulfilled, he journeyed home/ Told stories of the lessons learned/ And gained true wisdom by the giving.
– Falor’s Journey, “Innocence”
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May. 07 2013, 3:16 pm
Well, you have to examine this:
Endgame was the "All Good Things," of Voyager. It had the future, the combadge from, "All Good Things," however, VOY, and, TNG both had really good end episodes. This was because, as far as the series goes, they could have kept TNG going, however, it was time for a TNG movie. It became extremely popular, and needed a movie, although, VOY was a great series. It could have had a movie. However, VOY, not having a movie, and, being a show like DS9, featuring not the Enterprise, but, Deep Space Nine, and Voyager. VOY just needed to get home, and, that was what happened. They didn't have a movie, simply because, they did what they were trying to do. However, with TNG, they needed to do a movie, because, they had a mission of boldly going where no one has gone before, which is their legacy. VOY succeeded in their mission which was to get home.
You lied?
I implied.
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