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Time Travel - Sorry Its Not Possible

dryson

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Report this Mar. 19 2013, 4:02 pm

Sorry to bust the bobble of those who believe that Time Travel is possible. Because its not.


In order for Time Travel to be possible the entire Universe would have to revert to a equal notion of energy, form and memory.


This is not possible because the infinity of space itself cannot be changed to a time that is prior to the present date either future or past.


The reason why is because "They" live in space where humans are not able to access because "Space" does not have any particles to react to or with like the particles in regular space are able to be changed.


I am certain that "They" would not allow time travel to occur anyway because it would effect the dimension and or dimensions that they live in.


Time travel is a really good storyline plot device but nothing more.


Most people think of time travel as being literal.


For instance the sentence "I went to Japan while serving in the Marine Corps." which is true and factual statement.


Those who believe in Time Travel and the Quantum Eraser however would gather together in a group and say


"He did not goto Japan because we believe he didn't."








 

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Report this Mar. 27 2013, 1:34 pm

Your assumption is incorrect, or at least incomplete. You may be familiar with the notion that time is relative. If for instance you could travel space with a something that could reach the speed of light and you went for for a half an hour flight and then came back on earth you would notice that you where away much longer than half an hour. This is an example of time traveling, so that is indeed possible.


What seems to be impossible (at least for now, but that knowledge is only right untill another discovery comes along that proves the previous theory wrong) is to go against what is called the arrow of time. You can go forward in time but never backwards.


 


However many things are still a great mistery even for our brilliant scientific minds of today. It is generaly accepted that nothing can go faster than the speed of light, however black holes seem to have such attraction forces that even light can not escape its grip. So it seems that the pull of a black hole is stronger than the speed of light.


Make it so.

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Report this Mar. 29 2013, 8:39 am

Not true.


Light speed is not the absolute velocity of infinity. You have to remember that before the velocity of light came to be when all was dark that infinity was present occupying all space at all times and all points.


Infinity is a Universal mass of infinite mass and occupies all space at all times and points exactly at the same time relative to the infinite nature that is space.


Space is also massless because particles do not effect space in any manner at all because space is not there yet it is an infinite paradox. Space does infact effect particles in so much that if space is not occupied by reactive particles reacting with each other to create energetic casualities and results that occupy space then such energy would never achieve the velocity of light speed.


If light speed operates in the manner so debated and thought about then why does a light photon simply cease to exist when not in the presence of other particles?


Why is a light photon not able to exist in deep space without other particles to interact with or effect upon? Because a light photons velocity is relative to the influence of the particles around it. Dark Matter and Dark Energy being the first effectors as such energy is present in almost 90% of our Universe and yet does not reside outside of our Universe or any Universe for that matter.


If you travel at light speed for thirty seconds to a point relative to the distance traveled and then return to the starting point at light speed you will only have travled for a minute at light speed.


Since light speed IS NOT the speed of infinity then time dialation will not have occured because the very fabric of the infinity of space itself has not been altered.


How can one time travel when such a velocity needed to travel into the past would require the same velocity as space itself?


Traveling at the speed of light and faster is possible because such a velocity involves the manipulation of particles and energy.


Time traveling however requires a vessel to approach the velocity of the infinite of which space itself operates at on a daily basis occupying all points in space at all time and any time.


If you could travel at the same velocity of space then you could occupy all points in time and space at once. Basically you would arrive where ever you wanted to arrive.


But still time traveling would require a velocity faster than infinity itself in order to make the change.


How does one travel faster than infinity when infinity is Universal massless and yet still does not have any mass?


A bullfrog with a light in its belly is nothing more than a glutton looking to shine otherwise.

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Report this Apr. 01 2013, 3:29 pm

Is time travel possible?


Some say that time travel is possible because scientists say it possible. But in reality time travel is not possible and is merely a convienant form of scientific De Je Vu.


Proving time is not possible is easy.


First off it takes around 8 minutes for a light photon to travel from the Sun to the Earth. During the eight minute travel time that it took for the light photon to arrive only eight minutes will have passed on Earth.


If a ship containing humans traveled for eight minutes at the speed of light they will have traveled the same distance from the Earth into space that the light photon traveled from the Sun to the Earth where the same amount of time being 8 eight minutes has occured.


What would seem to have made the human appear to have traveled into the future is that as they humans traveled for eights at the speed of light their bodies would have encountered a higher volume of light photons per cubic meter of space traveled compared to the amount of radiation present if standing on the Earths surface.


Every eight minutes a wave of photons impacts the Earth permiating the Earth with both deadly and much needed UV radiation. If the ship containing humans were to allow five cycles of light waves to pass which would be 45 minutes and then excelerated to light speed for eight minutes the ship would only encounter one cycle of UV radiation that would effect the DNA and cells of the humans to cause the cells to mutate into cancerous cells assuming the ship is left unshielded. If the same ship were traveling twice the speed of light then it would overtake the five cycles of light photon emanation from the sun and once again assuming that the ship was unshielded preventing the humans from being permiated with radiation from the sun like the clouds and ozone layer provide, then rapid aging would occur along with massive DNA destruction at the cellular level which would cause the young humans to age extremely rapidly and of course die from the exposure because their bodies were not able to vent the excessive heat generated inside the body as a result of the influx of radiation.


If the ship was shielded from the radiation and traveled the same distance as stated above then humans would age normally because the DNA had been protected from the massive amount of radiation.


Time on Earth would have only have passed for either 8 minutes or 45 minutes respectively and would not have increased dramatically like many theories suggest. Theories that are merely meant to boggle or confuse the mind so that space enthusiasts will be more apt to believe such sci-fiction instead of following real world based space exploration efforts that if more sci-fi believers followed space exploration then the endeavor of space exploration would reach a new height bringing humanity to the Moon and Mars to be with the spirit of Creation instead of being chained to the hopelesness of procrastination and waiting for a return that will never happen.


 It should also be noted that it takes millions of years for a light photon to escape from a sun where it has traveled in the sun at the speed of light for millions of years where the events on Earth will have taken place within those milions of years relative to such events taking place.


Even if the ship could travel at 10x the speed of light the ship will still only have traveled a distance comparable to such a velocity. Time on Earth would not have excerelated so that when the ship returns thousands of years would have passed. The only issue at hand is that the distance traveled would have been reduced considerably at 10x the speed of light compared to a ship traveling at a normal velocity of 50km second.


The only velocity that is capable of achieving an equilibrium with space-time is traveling at the speed of infinity itself which space which is Universally massless and has a Universal mass at the same time because space occupies all points in space time every time and all of the time, is not effected upon by particle reactions but does effect particle reactions.


If a human were able to travel at the speed of infinity then it could be possible to reach the beginning of time but could not travel backwards or forwards along a timeline event where events are said to be able to be altered.


Time traveled is not possible because humans cannot excelerate to the velocity of infinity.


Traveling at light speed and faster velocities is possible because the velocity involves particle reactions that can be duplicated.


Wheres the proof? Look at the car it can travel faster than a human is able to run, then there is the train that travels faster than the car and the plane that is able to travel faster than the train with a rocket or shuttle traveling faster than any of the mentioned vehicles along with traveling faster than the earth rotates. Does the rocket or shuttle time travel because it has broken the velocity of the Earths rotation. No, time travel has not occured.


The same is true with traveling at lightspeed. When a ship breaks the light speed barrier the ship will merely have broken the ability of Sun's gravity that determines the velocity of light speed based upon the gravitational pull that is present inside of the sun. When a ship is able to break free of the suns gravitational pull which I would assume functions at the speed of light then the ship would be able to travel at the speed of light but probably not any faster due to smaller fluctuations of gravitational forces being present that would slow the ship down.


The only real way of traveling faster than the speed of light is to create a tunnel through all of the matter in space that puts a pressure on a ship which would include gravity.


Clearing a path would allow a ship to travel near the speed of infinity possibly because there would not be any gravity present to reduce the forward velocity of the ship.


So no time travel is not possible.


A bullfrog with a light in its belly is nothing more than a glutton looking to shine otherwise.

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Report this Apr. 01 2013, 9:41 pm

Sorry but you're too narrow minded to see truth: everything you talk about assumes the universe at it exists, Warp, wormholes, etc. leave the fabric of space time and enter the primordial chaos beyond the effect of the big bang where nearly anything is possible because it like a sponge waiting to take on the traits of whatever new universe expands its way, so there's no way of telling what would happen in such things.


 


Wise man once say that anyone who think they know anything is a fool.


 


Also western science based on principal that one cannot prove negative.


 


Also all you're talking about is modern versions of theoretical physics, that have been put one generations assumptions onto of the last on top of the one before that and the one before that, without the ability to test any of it; but when the same minds are involved in astronomy, every few years the new discoveries in the skies prove those theories completely wrong, so if they theoretical physicists are as wrong in their theories, they have passed science and even passed believable superstition and mythology, and gone into pure fantasy, which when the tech is available to test will cause that field to be seen as a dark age of science.


I'm a Dr. Not a Web account

dryson

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Report this Apr. 05 2013, 12:22 pm

Ever been dead?


I was in an automobile accident one time where right before I regained conciousness there was nothing but darkness. I knew that I was in a dark place and then felt the life come back into me in a rush that can only be compared to the Big Bang itself.


I also had the same experience while serving in the Marine Corps where I almost drowned but was pulled back into life by another Marine.


In those few seconds which seemed like eternity there was a flash of brilliant light like a star exploding.


No the Universe does exist. Many billions of Universes outside of Universe, the real one, not the literal Universe meant to base books off of does in fact exist.


A wise man also says he who believes what another says like you have mentioned who thinks they know something is a doubled breasted fool with two in the bush hoping to find something that is not there.


Semantics really and nothing more.


The entire Universe is infinite. Not finite nor does the Universe wrap around itself to a point that if you travel fast enough and far enough that you will eventually return to where you started from.


If the entire Universe is not infinite and we come to an edge, like you say there is then what do we fall off into? More infinite Universe?


Myth is not science. Myth is an understanding of the emotions needed for humans to explore the unknown. Without myth humans would merely travel to a planet and say gee that sure is large set of mountains istead of creating an interesting storyline behind the mountains such as "The Breasts of Hera provided humanity with what they needed in order to survive and thrive much the same way that the breasts of a woman provide what a human baby needs to grow and continue the existance of the human species."


Breaching the barrier of time travel is not possible...nor is it allowed for the simple fact in such a space and time if one were to align the frequencies correctly humans would arrive to a place and time outside of that which humans were created in.


Humans and other life cannot exist in time travel for too long because that is not what THEY intended. Only they who are outside of time and space and live in the paradox can survive in the time line of time travel.


Once humans pass on then that is where humans return to....the paradox of time travel crossing to any point at any time in order to spread the seed of life in places of the Universe where life has not yet touched the etheral darkness.


Narrow minded?


There is a difference in living in the moment with a woman and a tea kettle comtemplating what is instead of living in the long moment of ensuring that humanities seed is spread through the Universe.


Only the Devil would keep humans from rejoining Creation through the joint cause of space exploration and colonizing planets.


A bullfrog with a light in its belly is nothing more than a glutton looking to shine otherwise.

Devinoni

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Report this Apr. 06 2013, 12:22 am

I said:


Your assumption is incorrect, or at least incomplete. You may be familiar with the notion that time is relative. If for instance you could travel space with a something that could reach the speed of light and you went for for a half an hour flight and then came back on earth you would notice that you where away much longer than half an hour. This is an example of time traveling, so that is indeed possible.




You said (dryson):


Not true.




Here is what Nasa says:


 


Members of the Tripoli Minnesota Rocket Club #45 ask a very intriguing question this month: Is time travel possible?


  


Time travel is one of my favorite topics! I wrote some time travel stories in junior high school that used a machine of my own invention to travel backwards in time, and I have continued to study this fascinating concept as the years have gone by.


  


We all travel in time. During the last year, I've moved forward one year and so have you. Another way to say that is that we travel in time at the rate of 1 hour per hour.


  


But the question is, can we travel in time faster or slower than "1 hour per hour"? Or can we actually travel backward in time, going back, say 2 hours per hour, or 10 or 100 years per hour?


  


It is mind-boggling to think about time travel. What if you went back in time and prevented your father and mother from meeting? You would prevent yourself from ever having been born! But then if you hadn't been born, you could not have gone back in time to prevent them from meeting.


  


The great 20th century scientist Albert Einstein developed a theory called Special Relativity. The ideas of Special Relativity are very hard to imagine because they aren't about what we experience in everyday life, but scientists have confirmed them. This theory says that space and time are really aspects of the same thing—space-time. There's a speed limit of 300,000 kilometers per second (or 186,000 miles per second) for anything that travels through space-time, and light always travels the speed limit through empty space.


  


Special Relativity also says that a surprising thing happens when you move through space-time, especially when your speed relative to other objects is close to the speed of light. Time goes slower for you than for the people you left behind. You won't notice this effect until you return to those stationary people.


  


Say you were 15 years old when you left Earth in a spacecraft traveling at about 99.5% of the speed of light (which is much faster than we can achieve now), and celebrated only five birthdays during your space voyage. When you get home at the age of 20, you would find that all your classmates were 65 years old, retired, and enjoying their grandchildren! Because time passed more slowly for you, you will have experienced only five years of life, while your classmates will have experienced a full 50 years.


  


So, if your journey began in 2003, it would have taken you only 5 years to travel to the year 2053, whereas it would have taken all of your friends 50 years. In a sense, this means you have been time traveling. This is a way of going to the future at a rate faster than 1 hour per hour.


  


Time travel of a sort also occurs for objects in gravitational fields. Einstein had another remarkable theory called General Relativity, which predicts that time passes more slowly for objects in gravitational fields (like here on Earth) than for objects far from such fields. So there are all kinds of space and time distortions near black holes, where the gravity can be very intense.


  


In the past few years, some scientists have used those distortions in space-time to think of possible ways time machines could work. Some like the idea of "worm holes," which may be shortcuts through space-time. This and other ideas are wonderfully interesting, but we don't know at this point whether they are possible for real objects. Still the ideas are based on good, solid science. In all time travel theories allowed by real science, there is no way a traveler can go back in time to before the time machine was built.


  


I am confident time travel into the future is possible, but we would need to develop some very advanced technology to do it. We could travel 10,000 years into the future and age only 1 year during that journey. However, such a trip would consume an extraordinary amount of energy. Time travel to the past is more difficult. We do not understand the science as well.


  


Actually, scientists and engineers who plan and operate some space missions must account for the time distortions that occur because of both General and Special Relativity. These effects are far too small to matter in most human terms or even over a human lifetime. However, very tiny fractions of a second do matter for the precise work necessary to fly spacecraft throughout the solar system.


 


http://spaceplace.nasa.gov/review/dr-marc-space/time-travel.html


 


So now that I revealed my source, can you reveal yours?


Make it so.

dryson

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Report this Apr. 06 2013, 2:29 pm

Time is relative only when dealing with particles that have a measurable amount of mass from which various factors of velocity are measured in relation to a starting point and an ending point.


Particle A travels to point A at 30 meters a second


Particle B travels to point A at 40 meters a second


Both Particles start from the same point relative to their locations and arrive at the same point relative to the starting location.


The only factor involved is the velocity of each particle. Particle A travels slower than particle B while particle B is traveling faster than particle A. Regardless of whether or not which particle arrives first the events surrounding the first sequence of particle B arriving before particle A will only differ emotionally based upon the second sequence where particle A arrives before particle B arrives.


The only variance that will have changed with regards to a lifeform which has emotions that can be changed unlike particles that do not have emotions an cannot be changed is that the group cheering for Particle B and were happy when particle B won are now sad because particle A has won and group A is now happy when they were just a few moments ago sad at the loss.


The factor that changed is the chemical stimuli in the humans brain that releases chemicals that determine a state of metaphysical emotional value.


Before and during the Big Bang such a biological system in the body had not yet formed but over trillions of years the process of thought evolved in the human mind where emotional value in the form of chemicals in the body developed the sense of time changing only because of the chemicals in the body.


You and every one else on the planet has at one time or another had De Je Vu or an episode where a flashback occured that triggered a chemical stimuli that excited the body. The basis for time travel is directly linked to De Je Vu because the person who has experienced De Je Vu will have thought that they had been in this situation before because they remember experiencing the same time once before.


Events on a daily basis occur at an infinity random pace, no two events are ever the same.


What does happen is that at various time the brain will log the events of the moment in the subconscious without the human even knowing that the events are being stored. Then while the body is sleeping and encountering REM the brain will sometimes access this very special portion of the brain where the events will enter into persons mind as living dream. A living dream is where the dream is vivid enough for the person to remember in exact detail the next day or when they wake up.


De Je Vu or a flashback then occurs when the subconscious mind encounters similar events that had been stored in the mind but had been forgotten about. These two chemical processes then collide inside of the mind causing the flashback or time lapse where the the person remembers having a similar dream based upon the events happening in the current time frame and the events that have occured in the past.


Example: You are driving along the road and you see a school bus with Southern Local School District stamped on the side of the bus. It has a white top and is painted yellow and full of baseball players cheering because they had just won a baseball game.  Ahead of them is a Crotch Rocket and behind the bus are a few cars. You remember these objects in space time because it created a sense of happiness for the winning team yet an unhappy state of being for the losing team and what they may be feeling. In order to understand this emotion you have to place yourself in both events at the same time so that you are both happy and sad at exaclty the same point.


As you go about your day you forget about the events but have a living dream several weeks later of a bus full of children traveling on the highway with a truck in front of it and two Crotch Rockets following close behind it.


You remember the dream and write it down but then write the dream off as other factors in the events surrounding you, which all events do, erase the dream from your mind where you completely forget about the first school bus and dream of the school bus. A few years later you are driving on the highway and approach a bus that has white top and is painted yellow and has Southern Local School District painted on the side. Behind it is a single Crotch Rocket with a few cars following the motor bike. In front of the bus is another Crotch Rocket and in front of it another car.


You subconscious is then triggered and releases chemicals in the brain that excite you for some reason because as your subconcious and concious mind fuse together in thought a sense of having been in this event because of the past events triggers the De Je Vu effect or the sense that you have time traveled.


Time travel is waste of scientific thought and money. Such science is always wasting time and money on trying to change reality to fit a dream state which is not possible.


Such science and money would be better spent on training people to live and build in space instead of just thinking about living and building in space so that the real dream of reality or that which is Creation herself will become real so that humanity will spread its seed throughout the Universe thus continuing the process of Creation as it should be.


My sources are to in depth to post here and do not involve merely advertising the thoughts of such science in order to make such a scientist rich when such thoughts are not worthy of being wealthy to begin with.


Don't be popular by basing your thoughts off of what others think. Base your intelligence off of what you read and understand. It takes many years to develop such a thought process and does not occur simply by reading a book one time and remembering what one has read and then saying the same thing over and over with hoping that it will become truth.


Truth exists as 1's and 0's.


Either the gate is open or the gate is closed.


You can believe in time travel all that you want but unless you can prove the event has occured around the world instead of a small area around you then you have simply been fooled.


Best to stay off the booz and drugs as well.


Emergerncy Seperation Procedure....


A bullfrog with a light in its belly is nothing more than a glutton looking to shine otherwise.

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Report this Apr. 06 2013, 2:39 pm

The great 20th century scientist Albert Einstein developed a theory called Special Relativity. The ideas of Special Relativity are very hard to imagine because they aren't about what we experience in everyday life, but scientists have confirmed them. This theory says that space and time are really aspects of the same thing—space-time. There's a speed limit of 300,000 kilometers per second (or 186,000 miles per second) for anything that travels through space-time, and light always travels the speed limit through empty space.


Einstein only comptemplated factors of energy that have a measurable velocity. Einstein did not comptemplate the infinite velocity of space itself which occupies the realm of all that is has been and will ever be at all points in time and space exactly the same moment at the velocity of infinity itself.


Did you know that alot of the scientific theories present today came before Einstein and even Sir Issac Newton? Read Stephen Hawkings "The Illustrated A Brief History Of Time The Universe In A Nutshell"


In order to understand the Universe as a whole you have to understand the theories of space and time when such theories were first thought about. To understand the thoughts of such men and women will give you the sense to understand the elogance involved with such thought as they were developed by early man and woman instead of relying on a single source of information such as Einstein that like religion states that because he is the center of such modern day thoughts that god has told him that such things are true when in fact Creation, which is above God, has seeded the human mind with space and time long before Eistein's time.


Time travel is an excellent source to write stories with but nothing more than a literal penchant.


A bullfrog with a light in its belly is nothing more than a glutton looking to shine otherwise.

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Report this Apr. 07 2013, 2:57 pm

I wish that it was, but it doesnt really surprise me. Now if it was possible, I'd go back to the turn of the twentieth century. Or WWII. Those would be very interesting times. Plus, thers two different kinds of time. Theres time like, an era, and theres the length of existance. There is no way we can reverse our time of existance, and if we cant do that, then its impossible to go back in time and in the way, reverse those peoples time of existance. Am I making any sense here?

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Report this Apr. 08 2013, 2:43 am

Watching old movies, from back in the day is how I Time Travel.


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Report this Apr. 08 2013, 2:10 pm

Have you really traveled back in time? Has the Universe around you reverted to a prior state associated with the events contained within the old movie that you are watching?


If one were to set up an experiment where various factors were involved and were remembered and recorded by the actors involved and then forgotten about and then maybe five years later a De Ja Vu effect was created where one of the actors had De Ja Vu do you think that the external events recorded that day would have been the same or reverted to the events of the day that De Ja Vu was experienced?


If left undisturbed then events would be different because a time line does not twist and intersect with itself ever.


If the experiment is controlled to fit the results of the test to prove time travel has occured then events outside of the experiment would still have been completely different.


It wasn't Einstein who introduced time travel to science it was Godel.


The entire Universe is connected to itself, Universe upon Universe. How does one change the nature of single Universe when such a change would destroy the fabric of existence?


A bullfrog with a light in its belly is nothing more than a glutton looking to shine otherwise.

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Report this Apr. 08 2013, 5:21 pm

If you're asking me to involve myself in the
discussion of actual Time Travel being possible,
or not ... all I can say is this:


Stange coincidences would prevent you from altering
history: you'd be spotted doing it. Your gun would jam.
You'd fire but miss. Something. Being from the Future,
You would be a freak of Nature and Nature would want to
destroy you, even if science made time travel possible.
You would have an aura about you that would make individuals
not want to trust or like you. They'd sense something "wrong."
I do not believe that successful time travel could be successful.


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Report this Apr. 12 2013, 1:17 pm

Stange coincidences would prevent you from altering
history: you'd be spotted doing it. Your gun would jam.
You'd fire but miss. Something. Being from the Future,
You would be a freak of Nature and Nature would want to
destroy you, even if science made time travel possible.
You would have an aura about you that would make individuals
not want to trust or like you. They'd sense something "wrong."
I do not believe that successful time travel could be successful.


 


That sounds like the movie "Inception" where the jumpers made transgressions into other realities through their dreams where the other people in the reality were alerted to their presence because something didn't seem right.


Science fiction once again and nothing more.


A bullfrog with a light in its belly is nothing more than a glutton looking to shine otherwise.

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