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‘Star Trek Into Darkness’ Press Screening Reveals Spoilers

fireproof78

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Report this Mar. 13 2013, 7:28 pm

Quote: He'sDeadJim6400 @ Mar. 13 2013, 9:32 am

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>We've seen all done before in Star wars and other films, Jj abrams has nothing left to give us except his distorted version.

>Sadly this movie will not bring in the numbers of the first film, I predict a good first week, then it's down hill from there. 

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I think the film critics and the last movies numbers would beg to differ...


This is no more distored than Meyers' version.

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Report this Mar. 14 2013, 7:57 am

Quote: He'sDeadJim6400 @ Mar. 13 2013, 9:32 am

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>We've seen all done before in Star wars and other films, Jj abrams has nothing left to give us except his distorted version.

>Sadly this movie will not bring in the numbers of the first film, I predict a good first week, then it's down hill from there. 

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Come on now.  I love old Trek (was ahead of it's time in 1966)...but these high energy Abram's flicks are a nicely action packed version for the 21st century complete with the latest technology...to "goose" audiences of all ages...and I plan to include this 2nd movie installment to go into my DVD library when it comes out to go along with all my TOS series and movie DVDs.


 

2takesfrakes

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Report this Mar. 14 2013, 9:37 am

These NuTREK-hating fans all
remind me of Chang, from The
UNDISCOVERED COUNTRY:


He did not want things to change, but
we know better. For instance, not only
will this franchise change, but tastes
change and audiences change. So ..


We can be like Chang and fight
a futile cause, or ... be like Kirk,
by deciding not to live in the past.


HaventGotALife

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Report this Mar. 18 2013, 3:09 pm

I don't think this sounds too bad. Using the Prime Directive to bust him down to Commander again is good Star Trek. It shows that Kirk has consequences. Remember, he never had to even say "Sir" from the Kobiashi Maru through mutiny and attacking red shirts on the bridge, to getting in Spock's face, and assuming command. This makes perfect sense that he would have to meet the fact that he isn't always right. It also puts Starfleet in an interesting conundrum (one that we have seen before) where the rules and the "right thing" to do are in opposite directions. 


As for what makes a Star Trek movie, it's action-adventure first, peace and exploration second. That's how they are in the films. You can get away with more stuff on the small screen, and that's what I want to see. I understand there were large plot holes in the last film. Desitny is the only thing that covers them all up. The movie, if you read a summary, would make no sense. But it was successful and this may keep Trek alive for other incarnations down the road. 


Let's actually see the movie first before we determine it is bad. I think it's possible that they will explore "right" and "wrong" in Starfleet, on the Enterprise, and the villain may have more than a paper-thin excuse for what he's doing, maybe he's a justified villain who takes his legitimate points to an extreme we would never go. 


Its stories are about the depth and complexity of human interaction and relationships. It studies us and asks us to look within ourselves, to relate, to ask how would we respond to all that is in their world?

fireproof78

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Report this Mar. 18 2013, 10:23 pm

Isn't that the whole idea of Sisko and the Dominion War? That the peaceful and idealistic Federation and Starfleet might have to do some nasty things in order to preserve itself?


I get that people view Abrams' movies as all splash and no substance, but I think that is putting it in a box. I think it can be multi-layered if the audience is willing to engage the material.


Even Roddenberry conceived of the original as multi-layered action piece with social commentary. There is so much more than just the action to it.

fireproof78

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Report this Mar. 21 2013, 10:02 am

New trailer posted


Look at the top one in the list. Great background on Harrison and his attack on Starfleet.

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Report this Mar. 21 2013, 2:03 pm

OK, how does anyone know that Kirk is demoted?


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Report this Mar. 22 2013, 6:47 am

Quote: DS9_FOREVER! @ Mar. 21 2013, 2:03 pm

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>OK, how does anyone know that Kirk is demoted?

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I remember Orci or someone mentioning it an early interview...that a part of the story would deal with the concept of Kirk's ability and right to command is questioned.


The source is in the Memory Alpha STID article somewhere.


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Report this Mar. 22 2013, 8:13 pm

Quote: He'sDeadJim6400 @ Mar. 13 2013, 9:32 am

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>We've seen all done before in Star wars and other films, Jj abrams has nothing left to give us except his distorted version.

>Sadly this movie will not bring in the numbers of the first film, I predict a good first week, then it's down hill from there. 

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Your attempts at trolling are pointless. I'll judge the film when I watch it & I'll probably enjoy it. Please keep being disappointed, though. Anything that harms your happiness or satisfaction is just a tiny bit better.


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Report this Mar. 23 2013, 2:20 pm

i think i can also publish some spoilers (i will mark them as spoilers of course). i worked for the visual effects company pixomondo but then they have kicked a lot of us out without even paying us, so i am no longer willing to keep my secrets.


 


i am going through the shotlists now and writing all the stuff together.


bla bla bbla bla KAPLAH!

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Report this Mar. 23 2013, 4:32 pm

What constitutes a 'Star Trek' movie? Really?


 


More than half the Trek films are CRAP. I can only name 3 GREAT Trek films from the first 10 (TWOK, TUC, TVH). The rest are ok to p*ss poor. So would you rather have that? P*ss poor films that you would class as 'Star Trek' that even tried, and failed, to be action films?


 


ST09 and ST:ITD (even if ITD turns out poor, which I doubt) are Trek films in every meaning of the word. I hate VOY, but I repect that THAT is a Star Trek show.


 


And thanks to Leonard Nimoy playing the original Spock in ST09, that gave JJ and his universe added credibility in my Star Trek eyes.

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Report this Mar. 23 2013, 9:43 pm

Kirk breaks the prime direction to save Spock. A lie gets Kirk busted down from Captain, but he eventually returns as the first officer under Pike. Spock is assigned to another ship. Harrison attacks a summit where captains are present, injuring (perhaps killing) Pike.



Kirk didn't deserve to be captain anyway. He took temporary command and they gave him the ship? Spock outranked him! He should have gotten it in the first place! And I thought Pike was promoted to admiral, and that's how the ship was given to Kirk in the first place. *bad writing!*


Kirk ends up in bed with two “cat-women.”



Of course! As much vulgarity as possible! That's what sells!


During the Spock/Harrison fight; Harrison and Spock go through several buildings and end up fighting on top of ships flying around the city.


Sounds like Star Wars episode III, and for that matter, every other adventure movie. See, this is what I've been saying, Abrams is just another "epic" producer who wants lots of smashing, not a real storyline. I guess avengers-style is what sells now, but what a way to ruin a franchise based on morals and plot!


 


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fireproof78

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Report this Mar. 23 2013, 10:04 pm


Kirk didn't deserve to be captain anyway. He took temporary command and they gave him the ship? Spock outranked him! He should have gotten it in the first place! And I thought Pike was promoted to admiral, and that's how the ship was given to Kirk in the first place. *bad writing!*





Spock shouldn't have been given command-he wasn't a command officer. Spock never wanted command-that was pointed in The Wrath of Khan. Also, in another film, it was pointed out that commanding a starship is Kirk's first, best destiny. Kirk went through command school, was field promoted and brought his ship through a dire situation while saving Earth.


Also, Pike can take command of a ship at any time as an Admiral. I have no doubt that if Kirk is demoted, that Pike would take command. How is that bad writing?


Of course! As much vulgarity as possible! That's what sells!




No worse than any of the innuendo in TOS, ENT or any other Star Trek series.


Sounds like Star Wars episode III, and for that matter, every other adventure movie. See, this is what I've been saying, Abrams is just another "epic" producer who wants lots of smashing, not a real storyline. I guess avengers-style is what sells now, but what a way to ruin a franchise based on morals and plot!


 


I think it will be both. It will have action and a good story, like the first one. Its a matter of subjectivity, but there was more social commentary, more characterization, in the first Abrams film than many give it credit for.


In addition, I think Into Darkness will be more than "epic." I like the fact that it focuses on Kirk's failures, his weaknesses and his impulsiveness. I like that he wasn't among the top of his class but now must face an enemy who was one of Starfleet's best.


It is an interesting juxtaposition as Kirk and Harrison face off, one the kid needs to learn control and the former glory of the Fleet turned evil.


There is a lot of potential in this.

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