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Why did the Treaty of Algeron only ban UFP having cloak device on there starship that had crew on them

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Report this Mar. 24 2013, 10:32 am

The cloak they used on my planet was flawless.  I played very near to that duckblind and never had a clue it was there!


 


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Report this Mar. 24 2013, 3:43 pm

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Quote: Goldplanet @ Mar. 21 2013, 8:25 pm

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>TNG Homeward. Also far as I can tell Laforge using a control pannel to do fixing not engeering crew even that job Laforge did could done another starship right next to it.

> Beside riker openly stated treat Treaty of Algeron ban all Starfleet vessil from having cloak device.  in Star Terk Ent these are the Voyages.

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Laforge is part of the engeering crew, and I do recall his saying others were working on the issues.

and the holo ship might not be a starfleet ship


First Date did state Holoship starfleet design. Beside we getting little off topic real question hand if the Holoship require crew misson or nothing real do with my question.


 Riker statement said ban of cloaking techologhy on starfleet vessuls. If wish to see him stated that watch Star Terk Enterpise: These are the voyages from 23 minute and 39 secound into the show to 24 minute and 3 secounds into the show. If starfleet ban using cloaking techology all together he would have said it the same goes for if starfleet ban using cloaking device on all spacecaft he would said it. No reason him us the term vessuls unless only starship require a crew kind or another. We never heard them us term vessul for a probe ,space station. So why would Romulus only care UFP put cloaking device on man spacecaft or at least spacecaft require a crew.

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Report this Mar. 24 2013, 6:57 pm

Quote: Goldplanet @ Mar. 24 2013, 3:43 pm

>First Date did state Holoship starfleet design. Beside we getting little off topic real question hand if the Holoship require crew misson or nothing real do with my question.


Sorry but your memory of the film is faulty,Dada said the ship was of FEDARATION in origin, not STARFLEET.


Riker statement said ban of cloaking techologhy on starfleet vessuls.


And as I pointed out, the holoship was not a starfleet ship.


Bottomline, starfllet is the militery, the Romulan treaty banns cloask tech on starfleet [militery] ships.


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Report this Mar. 25 2013, 9:24 am

So what you saying is Treaty of Algeron only ban UFP having cloak devices and UFP miltiery starship that require a crew .  If there any real true to that then UFP not issue test phase cloaking device on civlians starship.

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Report this Mar. 25 2013, 1:21 pm

what I think is that the treaty banns cloaking tech on all militery/starfleet ships and installations like a starfleet station.


But fedaration Anthropology and science teams are exempt because they arent militery.


as to civlian starships..........I sure its posswible for the UFp and or Starfleet to run test on civlian ships, but if too many are done they run the risk of being discovered.


keeping a secret blike that quite when you use a lot of civlians isint easy.

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Report this Mar. 27 2013, 7:14 pm

Well Riker statement in these are Star Terk Enterpise:The voyages form 23 minute and 27 secounds show until 24 minutes and 5 secounds openly stated it outlaw cloak techology on starfleet vessuels.


Check here see what a space vessel in Star Terk


http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Spaceship


 


It basic any spacecaft require a crew.

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Report this Mar. 28 2013, 3:41 pm

sorry but that link doesnt help anything in this debate.


there are pleanty of space ships with no crew and pleany trhast are not starfleet.


 


 


 

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Report this Apr. 02 2013, 7:52 pm

Well at least come to starfleet personal it seem Federation allow us protable cloak devices. A boi dampeer seem cloak device. Since device make them invisable to the Borg.  Borg do having sensor must case much advance then starfleet or anyone else that matter. Otherwise equement that crewmember using USS Voyager violence of Treaty of Algeron. This does include Delta flyer. It was explain why did bring USS Voyager in did want violate the treatly of Algeron.


I think need Nefix to see it.  So the Treatly of Algeron seem only include starships.


http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Bio-dampener


So why did Treatly of Algeron only include big Federation starships it seem.

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Report this Apr. 02 2013, 8:34 pm

Isn't it obvious? They no want the UFP using cloaks for there ships, but no mind if UFP go into ship building biz for other empires in which they made those empires ships with cloaks, because that would increase the influx of matirals to their neighbor that they would no otherwise have access too, n' they encourage this

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Report this Apr. 03 2013, 8:16 am

Quote: Goldplanet @ Apr. 02 2013, 7:52 pm

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>Well at least come to starfleet personal it seem Federation allow us protable cloak devices. A boi dampeer seem cloak device. Since device make them invisable to the Borg.  Borg do having sensor must case much advance then starfleet or anyone else that matter. Otherwise equement that crewmember using USS Voyager violence of Treaty of Algeron. This does include Delta flyer. It was explain why did bring USS Voyager in did want violate the treatly of Algeron.

>I think need Nefix to see it.  So the Treatly of Algeron seem only include starships.

>http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Bio-dampener

>So why did Treatly of Algeron only include big Federation starships it seem.

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I would think the treaty included all militery ships.


Remember, the Defiant wasnt a big ship and it nbeeded special permision to use its cloak


I wouldnt call the bio-dampers a cloak, and I dont know what you mean about trhe Delta flyer


 


 


 


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Report this Apr. 23 2013, 8:37 pm

Few problem theory that Federation civilian starship allow having cloak devices. First is why need loan cloak device Romulus in first place UFP civilian starship allow to having cloak devices on them? It make no sense pratice Romulus hand over basic put piece top secert techology.  More important expect USS Defaint had phase cloak device simple put UFP also easily hide the fact any aim for miltiery us that try protect civlian cargo ships.


I also find it unlikley self repulcation mines using Klingon cloak device. Simple fact Klingon equement all cargo ship cloak device if just repulication them. I think done so for cargo ships. So again personal think did include unmaned starships. The same goes for class 3 probe.


 

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Report this Apr. 23 2013, 8:37 pm

Few problem theory that Federation civilian starship allow having cloak devices. First is why need loan cloak device Romulus in first place UFP civilian starship allow to having cloak devices on them? It make no sense pratice Romulus hand over basic put piece top secert techology.  More important expect USS Defaint had phase cloak device simple put UFP also easily hide the fact any aim for miltiery us that try protect civlian cargo ships.


I also find it unlikley self repulcation mines using Klingon cloak device. Simple fact Klingon equement all cargo ship cloak device if just repulication them. I think done so for cargo ships. So again personal think did include unmaned starships. The same goes for class 3 probe.


 

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Report this Apr. 24 2013, 7:21 am

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Few problem theory that Federation civilian starship allow having cloak devices. First is why need loan cloak device Romulus in first place UFP civilian starship allow to having cloak devices on them?


that thory was yours to begin with, so now you are arguing with yourself.


and a civilian cloak would ikely not be advanced enough to fully cloak a ship as powerfull as the defieant.Even the Romulan cloak didnt completly hide the defiant at first.


It make no sense pratice Romulus hand over basic put piece top secert techology. 


they handed over the cloak in exchange for info on the dominion.


More important expect USS Defaint had phase cloak device


that devise was illegaly made, and its was mde public


simple put UFP also easily hide the fact any aim for miltiery us that try protect civlian cargo ships.


that kind of action wuld be transparent, meaning everyone would know the militerywas still involved


I also find it unlikley self repulcation mines using Klingon cloak device.


who claimed those mines had klingon cloaks??


Simple fact Klingon equement all cargo ship cloak device if just repulication them.


how do you know all klingon cargo ships have cloaks?


I think done so for cargo ships. So again personal think did include unmaned starships. The same goes for class 3 probe.


 I said it before, I'll say it again.The class 3 probe was "almost" invisable to sensors, it didnt have a cloak.


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Report this Apr. 24 2013, 10:49 am

Is it possible that the holoship got around the ban by using holemitters to match the terrain around it?  If it did, it didn't really cloak, it was just camouflaged.

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Report this Apr. 25 2013, 5:58 pm

In David R. George, III.'s book Raise The Dawn (I think), someone speculates that the Romulan who helped negotiate the treaty (at least, behind the scenes) was Kamemor, who later became the Praetor.  At that time, in her younger days, she was more aggressive and very skillful, as all Romulans are, in manipulating opponents.  The suggestion was made that she may have been responsible, either directly or indirectly, in guiding the diplomats to agree to those conditions--making it seem logical to them at the time.


Buoyed by success of completing the negotiations, the diplomats may not have realized at first that they had been had.  They may have thought they had concluded a successful resolution to the war and only later realized, when they reviewed the results more objectively, that the Romulans may have gained the upper hand.  Many nations have won the war, but failed to triumph in the diplomacy afterwards.


Fortunately, now, Praetor Kamemor has matured and seems to really pursue peace, rather than try to risk Romulan lives in war.  And it seems that most of the Typhon Pact seems to prefer avoiding an open war with the Khitomer Accord allies (the Federation, the Klingon Empire, the Ferengi Alliance, the Cardassian Union and possibly other signatories).


Var Miklama--Zakdorn, engineer. "A sound mind in a FULL body!" "Time, like latinum, is a limited quantity in the galaxy."

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