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Report this Feb. 27 2013, 3:49 pm

Quote: Lone Palm @ Feb. 27 2013, 3:27 pm

>Thirdly, and most importantly, the economy is going to fail soon and I would rather have a Democrat in Office than a Republican, because the Party (and the economic policies they espouse) holding Office will get the blame.
Although there's not much difference between the two esablishment parties, the one thing the Democrats do a lot better than the Republicans is shift the blame.  They're like a bank robber who goes in and not only robs the bank, but kills everyone in there as well... and then gets the press and everyone else to blame the bank and the dead.

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Report this Feb. 27 2013, 3:51 pm

Quote: Lone Palm @ Feb. 27 2013, 3:36 pm

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>He believes (I think, though he changes all the time) that we should have lower taxes on everybody, therefore letting the system work itself out, as  has been successfully done by Reagan, Kennedy, and Coolige.

>That's not quite true. Romney claims to be for low taxes, but in the debates he side stepped the issue of the Federal Reserve and would likely do nothing to audit or end the FED. Like Reagan, Kennedy, and Coolidge, Romney would offer the facade of tax cuts while using the Federal Reserve to inflate the monetary supply. Romney would just pass the taxes on to a later generation by the hidden tax of inflation. That's assuming the system wouldn't go bust on his watch. 
At least Coolidge cut government spending and debt.


Amity Shlaes has a new book on Coolidge that I want to get.  I just saw an interview with her on it.

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Report this Feb. 27 2013, 4:27 pm

Although there's not much difference between the two esablishment parties, the one thing the Democrats do a lot better than the Republicans is shift the blame.  They're like a bank robber who goes in and not only robs the bank, but kills everyone in there as well... and then gets the press and everyone else to blame the bank and the dead.


I love that comparison. I agree that the Democrats would shift the blame to the Republicans. One could only hope that people would see through the lies... that with one-term behind him, Obama can't blame Bush anymore with any legitimacy.


At least Coolidge cut government spending and debt.


Definitely, and he is one of the better presidents in the 20th Century.

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Report this Feb. 27 2013, 5:38 pm

Quote: Lone Palm @ Feb. 27 2013, 4:27 pm

>One could only hope that people would see through the lies... that with one-term behind him, Obama can't blame Bush anymore with any legitimacy.
If that were true, Obama wouldn't have won his own primary, let alone the general election.


Remember, with socialists, they can't/won't take responsibility - they always blame everyone else for their failures.  This term, Obama won't blame the last president, so he'll blame the GOP (even though they keep giving him what he wants.)

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Report this Feb. 27 2013, 6:07 pm

I agree with what you're saying, but I'm also of the belief that the majority of Americans, despite being dependent on the Government in some form or fashion, don't and wouldn't identify themselves as socialists. I think many of them are doped up on government stimulus and I'm hoping that the forthcoming economic collapse will wake them up to reality. To be fair, many people voted for Obama because they viewed Romney as the alternative, and based on the debates any differences were superficial. I know many people that would've voted for Ron Paul had he been the Republican nominee. It's unfortunate that people give in to this notion of the lesser of two evils.

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Report this Feb. 27 2013, 6:23 pm

Quote: Lone Palm @ Feb. 27 2013, 6:07 pm

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>I agree with what you're saying, but I'm also of the belief that the majority of Americans, despite being dependent on the Government in some form or fashion, don't and wouldn't identify themselves as socialists.

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There are two parts to this:


1) They don't know what socialism is as the term has been redefined so that the socialst goals and programs aren't even called that.  They just call themselves "Progressives" or "Liberals."


2) Socialism has a bad name in the USA (at least for most of us that aren't younger,) so even most socialists won't admit they are socialist.

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Report this Feb. 27 2013, 6:35 pm

Quote: Lone Palm @ Feb. 27 2013, 6:07 pm

>I know many people that would've voted for Ron Paul had he been the Republican nominee. It's unfortunate that people give in to this notion of the lesser of two evils.
Yea, I know.  I might have voted for any of four of the GOP candidates, but since they didn't win the nomination, it kept my voting streak in tact - I've never voted for a presidential nominee from either of the two establishment parties.

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Report this Feb. 27 2013, 6:58 pm

I'd like to suggest a part 3 if a may and that's inheritance. We've inherited socialist programs that have been forced upon us and into which we've been forced to pay. This gives us, however involuntarily, a stake in their perpetuation. I believe there are many that don't want to give these up, but eventually must. I think you, I, and others with economic fundamentals know this already and are willing to give up these unconstitutional programs and take the losses as a matter of principle and economic reality. But others are still in denial and will come around when reality presents them with no other option. 

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Report this Feb. 27 2013, 7:01 pm

I've only voted for Republicans in primaries, but I'm Republican/Democrat free in the general elections. 

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Report this Feb. 27 2013, 7:13 pm

Quote: Lone Palm @ Feb. 27 2013, 6:58 pm

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>I'd like to suggest a part 3 if a may and that's inheritance. We've inherited socialist programs that have been forced upon us and into which we've been forced to pay. This gives us, however involuntarily, a stake in their perpetuation. I believe there are many that don't want to give these up, but eventually must. I think you, I, and others with economic fundamentals know this already and are willing to give up these unconstitutional programs and take the losses as a matter of principle and economic reality. But others are still in denial and will come around when reality presents them with no other option. 

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Yea... I was thinking of those - I just included them in #1.


 


But yes.... the entitlements are killing us, and even many people in the Tea Party want to keep them.

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Report this Feb. 27 2013, 7:19 pm

Quote: Lone Palm @ Feb. 27 2013, 7:01 pm

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>I've only voted for Republicans in primaries, but I'm Republican/Democrat free in the general elections. 

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That depends on the state - in some states, those not registered in a specific party cannot vote in the primary for a party.  In other states, those registered as independent can request to vote in one party's primary (they just can't vote in the primaries for multiple parties.)

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Report this Feb. 27 2013, 7:22 pm

Yea... I was thinking of those - I just included them in #1.


I can see that now. 

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Report this Feb. 27 2013, 7:27 pm

My State is simple about it. In the primary, you simply walk in, register with a given Party on the spot, and receive a Republian or Democrat Nomination ballot. 

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Report this Feb. 27 2013, 7:54 pm

Quote: Lone Palm @ Feb. 27 2013, 7:27 pm

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>My State is simple about it. In the primary, you simply walk in, register with a given Party on the spot, and receive a Republian or Democrat Nomination ballot. 

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So, if you're already registered, you just change your party affiliation?  Reminds me of "Operation Chaos."

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Report this Feb. 27 2013, 8:01 pm

LOL! But yes. In my State, you register to vote by a State application, and no party affiliation exists at this stage. It is simply to check one's citizenship, residency, etc.  On voting day, one requests a Republican Party ballot or a Democratic Party ballot, and then votes for the particular nominee of the affiliated Party. 

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