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TAS Continuity Errors

stovokor2000-A

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Report this Mar. 08 2013, 1:27 pm

Quote: Gawain_VIII @ Mar. 08 2013, 10:27 am

>In TNG: The Naked Now, reference is made to Polywater Inoxication from TOS: The Naked Time.


and in the same episode Kirk, his ship and ther nasme of the planet and the events were all mentioned.


thats is basicly recapping of all the details.


its a far cry from just making a nod to a name from a series.


Using your logic, because a "historical ship named Enterprise" contracted Polywater Inoxication... we could conclude that the details of TOS: The Naked Time does not preclude the inclusion of TOS as a whole.


not even sure how you can come to that conclusion useing that poor example you brought up.


I repeat,The inclusion of particular details does not equal the inclusion of the entire series.


Just because a show speaks of "polywater" in particular does not mean the entire episode or series is connected, but recap the events of that episode in specfic details and the connection is made


There are enough mentions between series of full events.


And yes, there are a number of TAS "nods" made in some of the series, but do any refrance full episode events from the TAS series?


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Report this Mar. 08 2013, 2:56 pm

I, admittedly, gave a poor example, deliberately chosen to show the oposite extreme of your statement.  With the exception of "The Naked Time", "Space Seed", and "Trouble With Tribbles" none of the TOS episodes were givem more than a passing nod, if any mention at all, in later productions.  At what point does your statement become invalid?  Given your criteria, as inferred in the above post, only three TOS episodes should ever be considered.


On the reverse, while TAS never got the same focus as the three TOS episodes, each was deliberately given tributes to, I can count a significant number of TAS episodes that were referenced, to various degrees (ranging from a single-line comment like in BEM, to direct and detailed references such as Yesteryear, the Infinite Vulcan, and The Time Trap).


References to places, people, or events which appear only in TAS can be found relating to Yesteryear, One of Our Planets is Missing, More Trouble More Tribbles, The Infinite Vulcan, The Terratin Incident, The Time Trap, The Pirates of Orion, How Sharper than a Serpent's Tooth, and The Counter-Clock Incident.


That's 10 out of 22 episodes that have some level of reference applied to it.  A larger percentage than any other individual series.  Again, I ask... what is the cut-off point of criteria for your statement?  How much detail must be made reference to in how many episodes before the series, as a whole, can be considered?


Yes, by today's standards, TAS sucked... but so did TOS (by today's standards).  Yes, it was specifically targeted towards kids and aired on Saturday mornings.  The writing was as exemplarary as TOS (largely because it utilized the same cadre of writers), despite the bad animation--but consider the time frame: the techniques pioneered during TAS later became the standard for all American animation for the next decade.


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Report this Mar. 08 2013, 7:00 pm

Quote: UninvitedGuest @ Jan. 30 2013, 11:05 am

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>There's that TAS episode that shows a holodeck on the Enterprise. When TNG starts it's implied that holdecks are relatively new, and on a Voyager episode(Flashback) Ensign Kim directly states that there were no holdecks on Starfleet ships in the 23rd century.

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I have had some thoughts on this. After that episode of ENT where Trip was on board that ship that had a holodeck, maybe Starfleet came up with thier own limited version of holodeck and then was put on Kirk's Enterprise as a way of introducing the technology to starships but after the incident on the animated episode, Starfleet decided to recall the technology to work out all the bugs, install safety to them and then only reintroduced in the TNG era. I don't know, just a thought.

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Report this Mar. 08 2013, 8:12 pm

Quote: Five Captains @ Mar. 08 2013, 7:00 pm

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>I have had some thoughts on this. After that episode of ENT where Trip was on board that ship that had a holodeck, maybe Starfleet came up with thier own limited version of holodeck and then was put on Kirk's Enterprise as a way of introducing the technology to starships but after the incident on the animated episode, Starfleet decided to recall the technology to work out all the bugs, install safety to them and then only reintroduced in the TNG era. I don't know, just a thought.

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that's actually a pretty logical explanation although Enterprise was not the flagship of the fleet...(there was a U.S.S. Constitution at the time) It's entirely possible that the holographic "rec-room" was an early prototype for the later holodecks that would appear in the Next Generation era.

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Report this Mar. 08 2013, 8:39 pm

both onf tho,s storys fit.

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Report this Mar. 09 2013, 12:21 am

Quote: Gawain_VIII @ Mar. 08 2013, 2:56 pm

>I, admittedly, gave a poor example, deliberately chosen to show the oposite extreme of your statement.  With the exception of "The Naked Time", "Space Seed", and "Trouble With Tribbles" none of the TOS episodes were givem more than a passing nod, if any mention at all, in later productions.  At what point does your statement become invalid?  Given your criteria, as inferred in the above post, only three TOS episodes should ever be considered.

>On the reverse, while TAS never got the same focus as the three TOS episodes, each was deliberately given tributes to, I can count a significant number of TAS episodes that were referenced, to various degrees (ranging from a single-line comment like in BEM, to direct and detailed references such as Yesteryear, the Infinite Vulcan, and The Time Trap).

>References to places, people, or events which appear only in TAS can be found relating to Yesteryear, One of Our Planets is Missing, More Trouble More Tribbles, The Infinite Vulcan, The Terratin Incident, The Time Trap, The Pirates of Orion, How Sharper than a Serpent's Tooth, and The Counter-Clock Incident.

>That's 10 out of 22 episodes that have some level of reference applied to it.  A larger percentage than any other individual series.  Again, I ask... what is the cut-off point of criteria for your statement?  How much detail must be made reference to in how many episodes before the series, as a whole, can be considered?

>Yes, by today's standards, TAS sucked... but so did TOS (by today's standards).  Yes, it was specifically targeted towards kids and aired on Saturday mornings.  The writing was as exemplarary as TOS (largely because it utilized the same cadre of writers), despite the bad animation--but consider the time frame: the techniques pioneered during TAS later became the standard for all American animation for the next decade.


There are more examples that can be called greater then just a "passing nod", like Worfs mention of Kors confrontation with Kirk on Organia or Sisko's mentioning the fight between Kirk and trghe Gorn on Cestus III.In each of these cases, a specific comment is being made to a particular event in a previous series.

And there is no way to invalidate what I stated, the connections in question have be made, by intent, by the creators of the series.The fully intended for the TOS era to be the direct past of the spin off series set in the TNG era


While its true, eliements of the TAS episodes, Yesteryear, the Infinite Vulcan, and The Time Trap. have made their way in other series, not to mention other things like Kirks middle name, Uhuras first name also coming from TAS, the particular events and details of those episodes werent directly referenced in any of those cases.Sure, the writers took some inspiration from those and other episodes, but not the events of those episodes.

Let me give you an example useing 1 of the episodes you pointed out.


in a DS9 episode, Kor mentions he once commanded a klingon shiped name the Klothos, this name was taken from the TAS episode "The time trap".Now obviously the use of the ships name in DS9 makes the ship part of canon.

But none of trhe events seen in that episode were ever mentioned,Kor doesnt spoeak of the mission seen in that episode,  and as far as I know, thats how it is with just about every nod ever used from TAS....the name of a person, place or thing is borrowed and used in an other series, but not one mention of any of the full events of the TAS series.


Now, you like to point out that full connections to events in TOS are limited to a small number, but thats irrelevent, only 1 sold connection is needced to establish the connection.Its not about the percentage of references, but the streanght of the reference.

In other words, The connection made to "The Naked Time" in TNG forever established that the 2 series were connected by canon.Even if that was the only connection ever made.


and for the record, I loved TAS, and still do


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