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TAS Continuity Errors

stovokor2000-A

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Report this Feb. 09 2013, 7:44 pm

Quote: UninvitedGuest @ Feb. 09 2013, 7:24 pm

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>Shows like DS9 and ENT have made a number of references to TAS according to wikipedia.


to an extent , this is true,.but the references are never of full events from tas


This official Star trek site also has TAS in its database obviously.


also true, but the character profiles of Kirk and crew do not contain any of the events of tas.


 


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Report this Feb. 10 2013, 2:03 am

Just think of it like the "Star Wars:Clone Wars" animated series which is obviously considered SW canon.


The "Tron" movie series also has an animated cartoon show which is considered canon.


 

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Report this Feb. 11 2013, 11:57 am

References have been made to elements of TAS, but TAS still has episodes like "The Counter-Clock Incident", "The Magic of Megas Tu" and "The Slaver Weapon" that go against all Trek since.


Yes ou can argue that TAS came foirst, but the rules of canon are that whatever is newest is canon. That's how it is in other mediums like comics so its not odd or wrong.


And just because TAS was distrubuted by official channels doesn't make it canon. For example, there's a book called [u]Federation: The First 150 Years[/u] that recently came out. It's an officially-licensed product, and George Takei even recorded some lines for the project. No one's calling the book canon though.


There's also many game's of the 1990's that featued the actors for live action cutscenes. No one runs to call them canon either.

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Report this Feb. 11 2013, 12:53 pm

Something has to be said or shown on one of the Star Trek movies or television shows before it becomes cannon, so obviously books/games don't count.


Besides I'm sure that TAS being considered canon is much more acceptable now since "Star Wars" has two different animated-series and animated movie. Star Wars has a cartoon show from 2003, and a CGI show from 2008 both of which are considered SW canon.


 


 

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Report this Feb. 11 2013, 3:18 pm

 My only real Dislike about TAS Was the Use Of "Invisible Force-Fields" For EVA, When TOS Had Full Pressure Suits; Blame the Writers,I Guess.

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Report this Feb. 26 2013, 1:09 pm

Quote: Mitchz95 @ Jan. 29 2013, 6:09 pm

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>"The Slaver Weapon" established the Earth/Kzinti wars as happening in the late 21st century, which doesn't really fit with what was depicted in Enterprise and First Contact.

>According to "The Time Trap", the first Earth ship to use warp drive was a Constitution-esque ship called the "Bonaventure", which was lost on her third mission "decades ago" as of the 2260s. That does not fit with Enterprise, and doesn't make much sense in itself.

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I'm not sure you can include The Slaver Weapon in this discussion as the Kzinti belong to Larry Niven's Known Space, a sociology that likely wouldn't mesh well with the Federation. And I have my doubts the Federation would have done well against the Kzin, at least when it came to hand to hand combat.


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Report this Feb. 28 2013, 5:49 am

Quote: eutychus @ Feb. 26 2013, 1:09 pm

Quote: Mitchz95 @ Jan. 29 2013, 6:09 pm

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>"The Slaver Weapon" established the Earth/Kzinti wars as happening in the late 21st century, which doesn't really fit with what was depicted in Enterprise and First Contact.

>According to "The Time Trap", the first Earth ship to use warp drive was a Constitution-esque ship called the "Bonaventure", which was lost on her third mission "decades ago" as of the 2260s. That does not fit with Enterprise, and doesn't make much sense in itself.

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I'm not sure you can include The Slaver Weapon in this discussion as the Kzinti belong to Larry Niven's Known Space, a sociology that likely wouldn't mesh well with the Federation. And I have my doubts the Federation would have done well against the Kzin, at least when it came to hand to hand combat.

There lies the issue. "The Slaver Weapon" is a part of TAS, yet it allowed for use of Larry Niven's series, mostly because back then it hadn;t been decidd exactly when in the future Star Trek was set.


The Federation would not have doen well against the Kzin since it wouldn't have exist 200 years ago as Sulu states. Earth would barely be meeting the Vulcans around that time.


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Report this Feb. 28 2013, 12:08 pm

Also, explain how Kirk's middle name, Tiberius, is first spoken aloud in.. Bern, I think. This is not an error, just an argument for TAS' as an official part of the ST universe.


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Report this Feb. 28 2013, 4:58 pm

Quote: RecklessVulcan @ Feb. 28 2013, 12:08 pm

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>Also, explain how Kirk's middle name, Tiberius, is first spoken aloud in.. Bern, I think. This is not an error, just an argument for TAS' as an official part of the ST universe.

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what would you like explained about it.


There are a number of details from TAS that have made their way into other Trek productions.


The inclusion of particular details does not equal the inclusion of the entire series


 


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Report this Mar. 01 2013, 4:59 am

Quote: stovokor2000-A @ Feb. 28 2013, 4:58 pm

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>The inclusion of particular details does not equal the inclusion of the entire series

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Fully in agreement!!


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Report this Mar. 06 2013, 5:10 am

Quote: guillermo.mejía @ Mar. 01 2013, 4:59 am

Quote: stovokor2000-A @ Feb. 28 2013, 4:58 pm

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>The inclusion of particular details does not equal the inclusion of the entire series

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Fully in agreement!!


 


Ditto. Great post, I think that sums it up nicely.


 


And as for the force field belts... the animators simply didn't want to have to do the extra work to draw EVA suits. I do believe I read that on Wiki. Frankly, I hate TAS. It was crappy drawings, there were numerous errors, and seemed aimed at younger children or something. I never feel like I'm watching true Star Trek when I watch TAS. I think it's boring.

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Report this Mar. 07 2013, 7:31 am

Quote: lonstar70 @ Mar. 06 2013, 5:10 am

Quote: guillermo.mejía @ Mar. 01 2013, 4:59 am

Quote: stovokor2000-A @ Feb. 28 2013, 4:58 pm

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>The inclusion of particular details does not equal the inclusion of the entire series

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Fully in agreement!!

 

Ditto. Great post, I think that sums it up nicely.

 

And as for the force field belts... the animators simply didn't want to have to do the extra work to draw EVA suits. I do believe I read that on Wiki. Frankly, I hate TAS. It was crappy drawings, there were numerous errors, and seemed aimed at younger children or something. I never feel like I'm watching true Star Trek when I watch TAS. I think it's boring.

You're right partially. It was also due to the time it would take to draw those EV suits correctly.


It's hard to remember that TAS was made when Trek had just a cult following and no other incarnations were expected to be made.


It also carries the honor of being the only Trek to win an Emmy, amazingy.


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Report this Mar. 07 2013, 8:27 pm

Yup. In the TAS episode "The Nth Degree", The Enterprise travels to the centre of the Galaxy to prove a Scientific theory........Nearly 20 years later in "Star Trek V" *gag*, Kirk claims that no one has traveled to the center of the galaxy, yet they get there in one day. What the Frak.

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Report this Mar. 08 2013, 10:27 am

Quote: stovokor2000-A @ Feb. 28 2013, 4:58 pm

>The inclusion of particular details does not equal the inclusion of the entire series


In TNG: The Naked Now, reference is made to Polywater Inoxication from TOS: The Naked Time.


Using your logic, because a "historical ship named Enterprise" contracted Polywater Inoxication... we could conclude that the details of TOS: The Naked Time does not preclude the inclusion of TOS as a whole.


In fact, of the 79 TOS episodes--only about a half-dozen of them were later referenced in the movies or TNG+ series... so... does that mean only 6-ish episodes of TOS are to be accepted as canon?


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Report this Mar. 08 2013, 12:24 pm

Quote: Gawain_VIII @ Mar. 08 2013, 10:27 am

Quote: stovokor2000-A @ Feb. 28 2013, 4:58 pm

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>The inclusion of particular details does not equal the inclusion of the entire series

In TNG: The Naked Now, reference is made to Polywater Inoxication from TOS: The Naked Time.

Using your logic, because a "historical ship named Enterprise" contracted Polywater Inoxication... we could conclude that the details of TOS: The Naked Time does not preclude the inclusion of TOS as a whole.

In fact, of the 79 TOS episodes--only about a half-dozen of them were later referenced in the movies or TNG+ series... so... does that mean only 6-ish episodes of TOS are to be accepted as canon?


That would be correct, if TOS had ever been called non-canon.


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