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Can't believe how bad DS9 was...

fireproof78

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Report this Apr. 02 2013, 2:35 pm

Nice thing about Star Trek is that it also has some diversity to its structure. TOS was more exploration and adventure with some monologueing by Kirk but still fun. TNG had more plot structure and continuity with so many implications that carried through the series, some good and some bad.


DS9 took another tack in that it was on the frontier, similar to Roddenberry's original pitch of "wagon train to the stars." I think it took DS9 some time to find its footing but having the Dominion War build up, battle and resolve was an interesting way to take the series. In some ways, its differences make it hard to reconcile with fans of TNG as Brooks is no Stewart and Sisko is no Picard. I think SFDebris, a commentator, summed it up best when commenting on the scene between Sisko and Picard that Picard is the idealistic leader of the flagship of the Federation, while Sisko is a line officer, who has seen some of the more negative parts of the battle against the Borg and carries that pain very personally.


I've always liked Bashier too, so that might be a more a personal preference thing. DS9 has grown on me as I have gotten older and had a little more time to think about it and appreciate some of the themes in the series.


But, your mileage may vary

Lang-haoLeeyoh

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Report this Apr. 02 2013, 8:11 pm

Think your no alone in appreciating it more as u get older, think DS9 is by far the most "grown up" view of the world, wif complexities n' "real life" scenarios the other shows seemed too try very hard too avoid 

fireproof78

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Report this Apr. 03 2013, 8:20 pm

Quote: Lang-haoLeeyoh @ Apr. 02 2013, 8:11 pm

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>Think your no alone in appreciating it more as u get older, think DS9 is by far the most "grown up" view of the world, wif complexities n' "real life" scenarios the other shows seemed too try very hard too avoid 

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I liked the fact it didn't always have clean answers. It actually ended on a very open note, with Odo leaving the station, Sisko joining the Prophets, and things like that. It doesn't have a nice, neat, packaged ending.


I liken Sisko to Kirk because he and Kirk were flawed humans but they could acknowledge it and try to work past it. That is why Sisko has become more intriguing to me.

Lang-haoLeeyoh

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Report this Apr. 03 2013, 9:49 pm

When say "we have to get real about this" does that imply you wish everyone to think like you?  THat horrible, world much diverse place, need many forms government and many religions to satisfy all people; why you assume if people have such dif views and needs for governing they like and religion make sense to them, that they all need think like you wif re. to something like entertainment?  Much more interesting to enpand you mind by becomming more like others, than tell others they need be like you.  Also much better for other people, one make people better; other cause things like communism, nazis, KKK, Spanish Inquisition- what U need ask self is which group you want to be part of.


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Lang-haoLeeyoh

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Report this Apr. 03 2013, 10:04 pm

You want be kind of person who revel in diversity and take best of all other cultures, and fall in love with them like U fall in love with a woman; or do you want be kind of person who wants everyone to be like you and to whom above other groups sound good to as long as U in power and not victim.  That question U need ask

Lang-haoLeeyoh

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Report this Apr. 03 2013, 10:49 pm

fireproof78 Thanks you :-) :-D ;-) U rite even first The Buddha and 1st Dalai Lama no havde all answers, buch more intersting and wise to ask questions, than to presume to try to give answers

Lang-haoLeeyoh

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Report this Apr. 03 2013, 10:56 pm

leroybrock No, Just Chinese taught at shaolin based monastery from 6 to 19 in addition to regular schooling, and when leave for America top student there and they say soon I would be teaching in own monestary for sports arts if wanted, or Shaolin teachings in their monastery, but parents want take job with USA co. so can jon sister here. Should really suprise that I have dif view than you? My expressions very common there.


leroybrock Do you assume that everyone who dif from you must be insane, so U can dismiss words that might inspire you to change, so that you no need to change?


leroybrock Also didn't parents teach you dif between politeness and rudeness and to be polite and not rude or accusatory?

Lang-haoLeeyoh

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Report this Apr. 03 2013, 11:12 pm

leroybrock I think they say something like 300,000,000 bajorin on planet, that about 4% of life on earth now, so that would be like 1/4 of a billion people on modern earth, 10-million used because Nazis kill 6-million jews and in single action Stalin kill about 10-million jews; so these numbers in American mind for death, to create vastly greater number #1 become hard to imagine and #1 would seem to minimize the deaths of Jews by Nazis.


And besides it only a sci-fi show anyway.


For real acts of terrorism and criticize of it for freedom, 1 must look at American independence, this was entirely done with terrorism and guerrilla tactics, plus the help of the french, and U.S. terrorism actions not stop after occupying by brittish, USA use biological warfare and terrorist attacks against Native Americans, and in every war USA in before becomming super power after WWII; despite fact that in every war before WWI these war over territory, and even WWI war between UK and Germany over UK not want Germany have colonies, and Japan try take parts of Asia and Pacific. And Bombs dropped on Japan pure terrorist attack, according tapes say generals and president argue one want military targets other say need civilian targets, because this make Japan too scared/terrified to keep fighting terror = terrorism.

leroybrock

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Report this Apr. 04 2013, 12:40 am

Quote: Lang-haoLeeyoh @ Apr. 03 2013, 10:56 pm

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>leroybrock No, Just Chinese taught at shaolin based monastery from 6 to 19 in addition to regular schooling, and when leave for America top student there and they say soon I would be teaching in own monestary for sports arts if wanted, or Shaolin teachings in their monastery, but parents want take job with USA co. so can jon sister here. Should really suprise that I have dif view than you? My expressions very common there.

>leroybrock Do you assume that everyone who dif from you must be insane, so U can dismiss words that might inspire you to change, so that you no need to change?

>leroybrock Also didn't parents teach you dif between politeness and rudeness and to be polite and not rude or accusatory?

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I'll have to address your lines out of order. 


 


1. No, my parents did not teach me manners. My father was a hard working but illiterate man with little concern for such things and my mother was mentally ill. My Grandparents taught me manners. 


2. I had to clarify that you are not mentally ill and that there is a genuine language barrier in place. You appear to grasp the words but have difficulty assembling them in a normal fashion. 


3. I'm skeptical that someone who is a fan of Buddha would troll around in these forums trying to stir up shit about real world politics. There is a specific portion of this board that's meant for political trolling. It's named Ten Forward, near the bottom of the board list where it belongs.


 


Good day, our fellow Trek fan. May the Gods give you guidance. 


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janebo

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Report this Apr. 04 2013, 12:09 pm

Well fortunately, the op had nothing to do with anything on DS9 or it wouldn't have been as good (& as Long) as it was...I think he might have missed the point that DS9 was intended to be a more "soap-opera-ish" show than the others, being that it was set on a space station. And other than the Bajorans getting overly preachy at times, it had some of the best stories. Odo, Garak, it had some really cool characters!


And Sisko was actually one of my favourite captains, go figure...

OtakuJo

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Report this Apr. 04 2013, 3:43 pm

I still don't get that DS9 was like a soap opera... Why? As far as the actual similarities go, there seems to be little more than that it goes into more detail about the characters and the community in which they interact, and that there is a strong link between "past" and "present" events of any given episode. Soap opera is a very specific genre and I just don't see DS9 fitting into that category.


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leroybrock

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Report this Apr. 06 2013, 2:54 pm

I don't know if it counts as a soap. I haven't watched any soaps and therefore can't really tell. 


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OtakuJo

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Report this Apr. 08 2013, 1:29 am

I think it goes no deeper into the intimacies of the characters lives than your average drama, and certainly more into the wider background politics than a soapie would. I mean I don't mind if it were a soapie -- would make no difference to the quality of the drama if the episodes stayed the same but it were called a soapie. I just don't see that it is.


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Report this Apr. 23 2013, 7:18 pm

He didn't bash Odo!


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Report this May. 01 2013, 11:19 pm

I have to speak up for Avery Brooks' acting.  He's a fine actor, of the school that says the actor is not supposed to be obviously acting.  So not so much excessively dramatic deliveries like Shatner or Patrick Stewart.  He's somewhat distant with most of his crew, as you would expect a captain to be, especially in the first few seasons.  He's always more comfortable with Jake, though.

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