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Can't believe how bad DS9 was...

kkt

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Report this Feb. 11 2013, 9:32 pm

Bajorans would say that expanding by colonies or conquest is the mark of an adolescent civilization, not an advanced one.  Using up planets until they have to settle other star systems is not a healthy approach.  Leaving the Bajoran system puts them father from the Prophets.


Their religion centered on the wormhole aliens actually gives them great spiritual guidance, and the prophets help directly and indirectly.


Stagnation is in the eye of the beholder.  Even aside from the war damage, would you rather live in Cardasia's capitol, or Bajor's?


I think the terrorism is something they learned because they had to, when the Cardasians were in occupation.  If you don't have the military strength to win a pitched battle, you use terrorism.


 

leroybrock

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Report this Feb. 11 2013, 10:57 pm

Quote: kkt @ Feb. 11 2013, 9:32 pm

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>Bajorans would say that expanding by colonies or conquest is the mark of an adolescent civilization, not an advanced one.  Using up planets until they have to settle other star systems is not a healthy approach.  Leaving the Bajoran system puts them father from the Prophets.

>Their religion centered on the wormhole aliens actually gives them great spiritual guidance, and the prophets help directly and indirectly.

>Stagnation is in the eye of the beholder.  Even aside from the war damage, would you rather live in Cardasia's capitol, or Bajor's?

>I think the terrorism is something they learned because they had to, when the Cardasians were in occupation.  If you don't have the military strength to win a pitched battle, you use terrorism.

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The desire to expand, even if slowly and continue on is an inherent part of organic life. A snooty disregard for this basic drive and an apparent intellectual boredom towards exploring the unknown does not make a people better.


The idea that they think they need to be physically close to the Prophets in contrast to the vastness of creation highlights the pettiness and narcissistic self-absorbtion of their religion.


The idea that the wormhole aliens like helping the Bajorans seems odd considering the wormhole aliens' hobby of playing headgames with the corporeals, feigned  ignorance about aspects of reality, and their disregard for the rights of sentient life forms. Whimsically reformatting the mind/soul of the Grand Nagus because you're annoyed and only reversing it because someone credibly threatens you with further annoyance? Even Q isn't that much of a douchebag.


All things being equal I'd rather live with Cardassians.


The Bajorans turn to terrorism didn't end after the Cardassian occupation ended. They were happy to continue killing each other after they left. A massacre was at one point only avoided because they found out the weapons they would murder each other with originated with Cardassians (because when you're murdering your fellow living beings it's who sold you the weapon that really counts). Bajorans nearly killed themselves off on other occasions. A carelessly laid doomsday virus that could have easily spread to Bajor. A mad attempt to bomb the wormhole to get rid of the Federation. Religious nut firebombing a children's school. Ensign Ro backstabbing Picard for her terrorists. Ugh.


The Cardassian Occupation didn't start out that badly but got progressively worse. Maybe as they got to know the Bajorans better there was more reason to hate them. And they killed 10 million Bajorans? Over 50 years? Lenient to say the least. Our record here on earth without the benefit of directed energy weapons, scanners, space ships and high technology is nearly that many in a much shorter period of time. If the Bajorans had acted like they did as a Klingon-subjugated race there wouldn't be enough left of them to man a Gods-damned garbage scow.


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DUKAT!!!!

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Report this Feb. 12 2013, 2:24 pm

DS9? Bad? How dare you?

DalekJim

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Report this Feb. 12 2013, 4:15 pm

DS9 is the best Trek series of the lot. It's just more demanding for viewers than the others.


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leroybrock

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Report this Feb. 12 2013, 4:24 pm

More demanding? Hardly. I'm sure that you're perfectly smart. There's no need to pretend that DS9 was a Juggernaut of the intellect to enjoy it. It had good and bad parts like all of the rest.

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DalekJim

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Report this Feb. 12 2013, 4:37 pm

I meant that they couldn't just tune in and get it. They had to stick with it for a while.


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Report this Feb. 13 2013, 11:10 pm

Wow...just wow.. ok i understand that there are TNG and TOS fans that hate DS9 but to not appreciate it and accept it in the Prime Universe is just bad, being a Trek fan... Mark it seems to me that you are picking apart DS9 because it doesnt follow the same formula as the previous series.. thats the usual excuse for TNG and TOS fans.. im sure everyone that loves Star Trek want it to expand and DS9 did just that.. see in TOS and TNG there was always talks about previous wars and DS9 is a war series... yes it took a little while to get to it but if im not mistaken, TNG took a few seasons to get accepted by hardcore TOS fans.. bashing the acting in ANY Trek series is only a blind excuse to justify hating it... i say blind because there was just as equal horrible acting in every other Trek series.. DS9 is not a favorite to some? thats fine.. but appreciate the fact that this series helped make the Trek universe larger than what it would have been if it would have followed the same formula

HaventGotALife

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Report this Feb. 14 2013, 9:12 pm

I don't understand how not liking the Bajorans translates to wanting them to be in slave labor camps and killed without a trial. No people deserve that as a species. If you think it does, you are watching the wrong show. 


Deep Space Nine is not the same as the other series, but that is true of Next Generation and The Original Series as well. I don't expect, nor do I like, series that are exactly the same. Voyager and Enterprise were two of the worst, in my opinion. Voyager would've been better if it had been a legitimate mission--we have an engine to take us out there, but not one to take us back. This is how traveling outside the solar system would be like. We would have to train our replacements because it would take forever to get back. It would've been like going to the moon. Enterprise was full of stupid characters. They had no training, they were all emotional, and they never learned or tempered their stupidity. The concept of the show--about exploring and seeing the origins--fantastic. But its execution in storyline and acting was telling the same story in Deep Space Nine--the world is not what we expected it to be and are view is naive. It's tearing the Star Trek universe apart. 


Deep Space Nine has the luxury of being the first to test the Trek future. And that is part of its beauty. But the rest is just telling a story that isn't Star Trek. One of the downfalls of Deep Space Nine that it ends just as the series is about to get interesting. How do we forge a peace with the Dominion? Do we explore the Gamma Quadrant? How does Starfleet change because of the war? Do we lose great explorers and scientists because of the war? What is the role of Bajor in the Federation? What is the relationship with the Bajorans and their gods now? Is there anyone who doesn't yet want the war to end? There are some really interesting stories beyond what we see on-screen. And, I for one, think it would've been a better Trek incaranation for answering those questions. 


Its stories are about the depth and complexity of human interaction and relationships. It studies us and asks us to look within ourselves, to relate, to ask how would we respond to all that is in their world?

Blockman

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Report this Feb. 15 2013, 3:01 pm

These whole ST boards are practically a DS9 board!



Hands down the best. of ANY series


fstewardiii

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Report this Feb. 17 2013, 9:12 pm

Yep, the subject is a bummer. i love the show but in the later years it was a bit darker and not as interesting but overall good. 

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Report this Feb. 18 2013, 3:51 am

DS9 was a long drawn out boring series.

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Report this Mar. 16 2013, 4:10 am

This post also prompted me to register.  Mark, I tried to Google you, but I found a musician and a few others who were in regular business.  I didn't find anything under Mark DeSilva, director.  I also checked out imdb, but I found nothing there, either, so I'm wondering what really makes you qualified to judge a show that had a successful seven seasons and an actor who has a successful career as an actor, director, music composer, and documentary narrator and cast member. Is there anything you've done that we know or can look for to check out? 

Danger Ace

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Report this Mar. 16 2013, 5:10 pm

Funny thing is, Mark, I feel pretty close to the exact opposite. I feel DS9 is the best of the "modern" Treks. I feel the root of my belief lay in the fact Rick Berman had minimal involvement (relatively speaking) with its writing. Not to flamebait, but TNG's writing became more and more sophmoric as time went on, while, Deep Space Nine pushed the envelope of what Star Trek should and could be - which, in my opinion, justifies its right to exist.


 


Now, all the Treks had their problems. The original Series had to deal with budget problems, lack of technology and prejudices against the genre of science fiction as a valid weekly dramatic genre. The Next Generation had an odd and unrealistic lack of conflict amongst its lead characters along with a tendency toward juevanille preachiness and finger-pointing as well as lackluster/weak resolutions. What has made Star Trek enduring through all its incarnations and weaknesses has been the strength of the casting for the roles of the series regulars. Time and again (Enterprise being the exception) TPTB were generally able to create an endearing chemistry that got you to like characters on a personal level and overlook the infirmities of a particular production.


 


Of course, "my opinion."


 

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Report this Mar. 16 2013, 7:37 pm

What im saying is short and to the point and not much thought was put into it.


 


DS9 IS MY FAVORITE STAR TREK SERIES!!


 


Now that being said some like what they like and others don't intresting topic and pov.

Trekkerhappy

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Report this Mar. 17 2013, 5:46 am

DS9 was my least favourite Star trek series.It didnt have the sense of adventure that the other shows had, was too dark,violent, and there were too many ferengi episodes.

Also Avery Brooks was impossible to take seriously.Especially when he was acting '' angry ''.

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