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JJ Abrams will be directing Star Wars VII

Lone Palm

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Report this Jan. 29 2013, 10:55 am

How was it any worse than Nemesis, Star Trek V (which I enjoy but could have been better), or bad episodes of the various series? Star Trek didn't have some never reaching perfect score till Abrams came around you know. It's ups and downs like any type of show that has had that longevity.


 


You think Whovians think that in all 50 years of Doctor Who that it is 100% perfect? 


I made no claim that Star Trek (or Doctor Who), across all its years, was perfect. That is an assumption on your part. Star Trek V and Nemesis were troubled to be sure, but the characters were still reasonably written. Star Trek II: TWOK certainly had plot holes, but again the character work was its saving grace.


Abrams' movie, however, is a cinematic abomination whether it be the plot or the characters. I'll ignore the plot in favor of the one dimensional caricatures that we must tolerate for two hours. Shortly after the destruction of Vulcan, Spock strands Kirk on Delta Vega. Spock doesn't: place Kirk in the brig; confine Kirk to quaters under guard; confine Kirk to a shuttlecraft under guard; or even safely transport Kirk down to the Starfleet Outpost on Delta Vega. Kirk is ejected from the ship in a life capsule and stranded in an ice desert, which amounts to attempted murder. And the fact that no one seems to point this out, or that it wasn't important enough to point this out, turns the entire bridge crew into accomplices to murder.


Add to this, Kirk, who is suppose to be a genius, has no immediate clue as to how to prove that Spock has been emotionally compromised. Spock just tried to kill Kirk, and he doesn't even think of using that fact against the Vulcan. He opts instead to insult the Vulcan and get beaten up. 


Finally, at the end of the movie, Nero's ship is being destroyed, and Kirk offers to save Nero only because he thinks that's what Spock would want. Spock of course takes the emotional route, wanting to kill Nero, and Kirk is too happy to comply. Kirk should've moved his ship away from the black hole, rather than wasting resources on a ship that was already being destroyed and risking the Enterprise's destruction as well. 


This movie glamorizes immorality with repugnant characters. I hate this movie as a movie first, and as a Star Trek movie second.

Invader_Wishfire

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Report this Jan. 29 2013, 3:26 pm

Quote: Lone Palm @ Jan. 28 2013, 7:02 am

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>Please get over it.

>No. I will forever put down the Abrams' abomination.

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But we're not talking about Lost.


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named.after.uhura77

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Report this Jan. 29 2013, 4:05 pm

First of all I'm talking about Disney Lucasfilm and Bad Robot all in one place at the same time!? Then you have Kathleen Kennedy producing? My first thought is this is too good to be true, I just hope they don't screw it up. Don't get me wrong I love JJ & he's responsible for the best Star Trek movie   since the Voyage Home, but we're talking Star Trek and Star Wars... I wouldn't be true sci-fi junkie if I wasn't a little bit nervous about this whole venture into the Next chapter of Star Wars. Who am I my kidding, I'm going to go see it anyway LOL!!

Lone Palm

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Report this Jan. 29 2013, 8:34 pm

>Please get over it.


>No. I will forever put down the Abrams' abomination.


>But we're not talking about Lost.


LOL!!


 

Beershark

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Report this Jan. 30 2013, 8:24 pm

Maybe he'll have Luke go back and become his own father?


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Kornula

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Report this Feb. 11 2013, 5:48 am

I don't know why people assume that Han, Luke and Leia will be.. or should be in 7, 8 & 9. 


Having said that, JJ is a piss poor story teller.  He takes zero chances cinematically.   His idea of "dramatic tension" is to make all the characters constatnly angry...and putting  them through an endless string of contrived action. This shoves any chance of characters or story revealing themselves.


JJ is worse than Michael Bay and George Lucas.

Kornula

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Report this Feb. 11 2013, 5:52 am

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How was it any worse than Nemesis, Star Trek V (which I enjoy but could have been better), or bad episodes of the various series? Star Trek didn't have some never reaching perfect score till Abrams came around you know. It's ups and downs like any type of show that has had that longevity.


 


You think Whovians think that in all 50 years of Doctor Who that it is 100% perfect? 


I made no claim that Star Trek (or Doctor Who), across all its years, was perfect. That is an assumption on your part. Star Trek V and Nemesis were troubled to be sure, but the characters were still reasonably written. Star Trek II: TWOK certainly had plot holes, but again the character work was its saving grace.


Abrams' movie, however, is a cinematic abomination whether it be the plot or the characters. I'll ignore the plot in favor of the one dimensional caricatures that we must tolerate for two hours. Shortly after the destruction of Vulcan, Spock strands Kirk on Delta Vega. Spock doesn't: place Kirk in the brig; confine Kirk to quaters under guard; confine Kirk to a shuttlecraft under guard; or even safely transport Kirk down to the Starfleet Outpost on Delta Vega. Kirk is ejected from the ship in a life capsule and stranded in an ice desert, which amounts to attempted murder. And the fact that no one seems to point this out, or that it wasn't important enough to point this out, turns the entire bridge crew into accomplices to murder.


Add to this, Kirk, who is suppose to be a genius, has no immediate clue as to how to prove that Spock has been emotionally compromised. Spock just tried to kill Kirk, and he doesn't even think of using that fact against the Vulcan. He opts instead to insult the Vulcan and get beaten up. 


Finally, at the end of the movie, Nero's ship is being destroyed, and Kirk offers to save Nero only because he thinks that's what Spock would want. Spock of course takes the emotional route, wanting to kill Nero, and Kirk is too happy to comply. Kirk should've moved his ship away from the black hole, rather than wasting resources on a ship that was already being destroyed and risking the Enterprise's destruction as well. 


This movie glamorizes immorality with repugnant characters. I hate this movie as a movie first, and as a Star Trek movie second.


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