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fireproof78

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Report this Mar. 06 2013, 7:57 am

Dyson,


your analysis is interesting, though your analogy seems a bit flawed.


One, calling Ryan the Anti-Christ simply because he wants people to work hard for what they have is a very negative statement not supported by facts. The idea of "no work, no eat" is as much a part of Christian ethics as helping out your neighbor.


I am more than willing to help people in need, but I also would never expect them to just wait around while I bring the next "fish" to them.


I agree with Christian principles of taking care of those in need, and being generous with what I have in order to help out my  neighbors. I think that if Christians actually practiced this loving ideal that we would have less poverty and less need for government programs.


Here is the thing about Socialism and Communism-they are government enforced economic policies not moitvated by compassion, as Christ is, but class warfare and a perverse notion of "fairness." You cannot legislate compassion nor generosity, but socialism attempts to do just that by saying that it is for the good of the group that the government takes your money and gives it to someone else.


It should also be noted that in your example, of the feeding of the 5 thousand, Jesus only did that twice in His ministry on earth. I am not inclined to believe that He was teaching a civic or government policy lesson that day, but rather a spiritual one.


"He who steals must steal no longer; but rather he must labor, performing with his own hands what is good, so that he will have something to share with [t]one who has need." Ephesians 4:28

FleetAdmiral_BamBam

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Report this Mar. 06 2013, 8:53 am

^^ One thing I'll add....  Jesus never commanded us to give to the government so that the government would redistribute the wealth.  Jesus talked about helping people directly.


 


In the example of the feeding of the people - Jesus didn't perform the miracle and then give it to the government.

Sehlat123

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Report this Mar. 06 2013, 12:35 pm

Quote: FleetAdmiral_BamBam @ Mar. 06 2013, 8:53 am

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>^^ One thing I'll add....  Jesus never commanded us to give to the government so that the government would redistribute the wealth.  Jesus talked about helping people directly.

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Yes, that's the main difference. Jesus didn't want to redistrubute wealth, he wanted you to give to the needy.


Redistribution of Wealth is basically theft. You steal from others, and give to those who don't have. Jesus was a proponent of giving your own stuff to the poor, not other peoples stuff- otherwise known as charity.


Also, calling Paul Ryan the antichrist because you feel he isn't totally like Jesus is stupid. What about every athiest, muslim, buddhist, and every other religion? Are they all the antichrist?  Obama does a LOT of things that are against the bible. Is he the antichrist too? You, I, and everyone are sinners. I guess everyone is the antichrist!


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fireproof78

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Report this Mar. 06 2013, 1:42 pm

Quote: FleetAdmiral_BamBam @ Mar. 06 2013, 8:53 am

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>^^ One thing I'll add....  Jesus never commanded us to give to the government so that the government would redistribute the wealth.  Jesus talked about helping people directly.

>In the example of the feeding of the people - Jesus didn't perform the miracle and then give it to the government.

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Excellent point.  The problem with communism and socialism is that it is government mandated, taking away any of the love and compassion for others that Jesus speaks of.


If you want generosity, then enable people to be successful in their personal lives, so that they feel they can provide for their own needs rather than being told that they need to give away their hard earned money at gunpoint. Taxes are one thing-being told you make too much so we will take it away does not create compassionate giving.


Also, anyone else amused by the inclusion of both a Christianity reference AND a Marxist reference in one post?

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Report this Mar. 06 2013, 1:43 pm

Quote: Sehlat123 @ Mar. 06 2013, 12:35 pm

>Also, calling Paul Ryan the antichrist because you feel he isn't totally like Jesus is stupid. What about every athiest, muslim, buddhist, and every other religion? Are they all the antichrist?  Obama does a LOT of things that are against the bible. Is he the antichrist too? You, I, and everyone are sinners. I guess everyone is the antichrist!

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Um, yes, you have figured it all out

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