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Report this Feb. 12 2013, 3:25 pm

Quote: Irina Galliulin @ Feb. 12 2013, 2:10 pm

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>Also, you said that you donate money at church. Do you do that for a reward? No. But don't you find yourself doing it anyway? For the good of others?

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Do a little research and find out what percentage of people go to church.  Then take a look at, out of those few people, who donate money consistently to the church.  Also, when you're researching, find out what percentage of people do the majority of the volunteer work.


You'll be very surprised at how low it is...  (and what's even sadder, if you compare the percentage of donations by conservatives to socialists... conservatives donate a whole lot more on average!)

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Report this Feb. 12 2013, 3:31 pm

Quote: Irina Galliulin @ Feb. 12 2013, 2:38 pm

>     You are very correct about this (last paragraph). Socialism is a UTOPIAN idea. It only works if everybody agrees on it. You're right that everybody has to be willing to work, otherwise it won't work. Socialism may NOT work in today's society, but someday if everybody AGREES on it and everybody TRIES really hard, it wouldn't be such a bad idea.

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Actually, it's been tried many times, and failed.

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Report this Feb. 12 2013, 3:33 pm

because not everybody wanted it to happen. It doesn't work unless everybody wants it to.


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Report this Feb. 12 2013, 3:33 pm

Quote: FleetAdmiral_BamBam @ Feb. 12 2013, 3:25 pm

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>You'll be very surprised at how low it is...  (and what's even sadder, if you compare the percentage of donations by conservatives to socialists... conservatives donate a whole lot more on average!)

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That argument is bull. The number of people in the U.S. that identify themselves as actually being Socialist is very low. Of course a greater number of "Conservatives" will be donating money compared to Socialists.


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Report this Feb. 12 2013, 3:35 pm

Quote: leroybrock @ Feb. 12 2013, 3:08 pm

>There is nothing wrong with playing the lottery in small amounts. I've been led to believe that part of the proceeds are given to schools. Since education is always under siege by Libertarians, Teahadists and Republicans they certainly need it.
No... education is not "under siege" by them - they just want to correct the problem.


Money is not the answer - we keep spending more and more and more, but are losing ground.  The complain is about the problem, like the teachers unions, the government control, etc.


Just saw this today: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZc9m1ca3so

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Report this Feb. 12 2013, 3:37 pm

Quote: Irina Galliulin @ Feb. 12 2013, 3:13 pm

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Quote: Irina Galliulin @ Feb. 12 2013, 1:39 pm

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>3) Look at your local community and see how many people volunteer their time for different things. My school has fundraisers for charities. Or take a look at a smaller subsection, like a church, where all members voluntarily attend, but very few actually invest their time/money to support the chuch.  This will be the same with any large group.  (Some call it a "5% Rule" - only five percent get involved and even less than that can be counted on.)I'm not religious, so I don't understand your reference.
You're not part of any community organization that is run in part or mostly by volunteers?

I don't think so. Does a public school count?

no.  When I was a kid, I was involved in the local community multiple ways, like the Boy Scouts, church, etc.  I found out very quickly that only a few people actually do the majority of the work. 

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Report this Feb. 12 2013, 3:38 pm

I am from the U.S. and I am a communist.


But I don't know how I'm supposed to "identify" myself as such(officially).


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Report this Feb. 12 2013, 3:38 pm

Quote: FleetAdmiral_BamBam @ Feb. 12 2013, 3:21 pm

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>I didn't suggest that the jobs were harder - only that in this socialist "utopia" that keeps getting presented, people don't have to do them.  In a normal society, if you don't work, you don't eat.  If this mythical utopia, if people don't work, there's no consequences.

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It's strange that the imaginary Utopia of Socialism gets looked down upon while the imginary Utopia of Libertarianism gets people drooling. The claims of Libertarianism are more absurd than any claim made by Socialists yet Libertarianism is safe because no one's been crazy enough to devolve their society into a Libertarian looneybin yet. Having no real world examples to attach is both frustrating but at the same time we can be thankful that there aren't any real world examples.


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Report this Feb. 12 2013, 3:41 pm

Quote: FleetAdmiral_BamBam @ Feb. 12 2013, 3:35 pm

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>No... education is not "under siege" by them - they just want to correct the problem.

>Money is not the answer - we keep spending more and more and more, but are losing ground.  The complain is about the problem, like the teachers unions, the government control, etc.

>Just saw this today: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZc9m1ca3so

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Oh, a YouTube video. Well, I bow to the ultimate authority of YouTube.


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Report this Feb. 12 2013, 3:42 pm

Quote: Irina Galliulin @ Feb. 12 2013, 3:23 pm

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>If you don't work, everybody doesn't eat.

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Not sure what you're saying here.

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Report this Feb. 12 2013, 3:46 pm

Quote: Irina Galliulin @ Feb. 12 2013, 3:33 pm

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>because not everybody wanted it to happen. It doesn't work unless everybody wants it to.

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Nope - there have been documented examples of communites that tried socialism - complete communal development.  The problem was that they figured that someone else would do the work.


You probably don't know this, but it was even tried in early America.  Please read the writings of William Bradford, the Plymouth, Massachusetts first governor.

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Report this Feb. 12 2013, 3:49 pm

Quote: leroybrock @ Feb. 12 2013, 3:33 pm

Quote: FleetAdmiral_BamBam @ Feb. 12 2013, 3:25 pm

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>You'll be very surprised at how low it is...  (and what's even sadder, if you compare the percentage of donations by conservatives to socialists... conservatives donate a whole lot more on average!)

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That argument is bull. The number of people in the U.S. that identify themselves as actually being Socialist is very low. Of course a greater number of "Conservatives" will be donating money compared to Socialists.

Obviously, you're taking it out of context... this is about percentages.... per capita.


It's actually quite the joke when you look at the donations from politicians (personal IRS disclosures) - the "left" hardly gives anything while the "right" is much more generous.

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Report this Feb. 12 2013, 3:50 pm

Quote: FleetAdmiral_BamBam @ Feb. 12 2013, 3:42 pm

Quote: Irina Galliulin @ Feb. 12 2013, 3:23 pm

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>If you don't work, everybody doesn't eat.

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Not sure what you're saying here.

I'm saying that if people don't work, the whole society is affected, which is motivation for people to work harder.


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Report this Feb. 12 2013, 3:51 pm

Quote: leroybrock @ Feb. 12 2013, 3:38 pm

Quote: FleetAdmiral_BamBam @ Feb. 12 2013, 3:21 pm

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>I didn't suggest that the jobs were harder - only that in this socialist "utopia" that keeps getting presented, people don't have to do them.  In a normal society, if you don't work, you don't eat.  If this mythical utopia, if people don't work, there's no consequences.

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It's strange that the imaginary Utopia of Socialism gets looked down upon while the imginary Utopia of Libertarianism gets people drooling. The claims of Libertarianism are more absurd than any claim made by Socialists yet Libertarianism is safe because no one's been crazy enough to devolve their society into a Libertarian looneybin yet. Having no real world examples to attach is both frustrating but at the same time we can be thankful that there aren't any real world examples.

Early USA was very much libertarian.

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Report this Feb. 12 2013, 3:52 pm

Quote: leroybrock @ Feb. 12 2013, 3:41 pm

Quote: FleetAdmiral_BamBam @ Feb. 12 2013, 3:35 pm

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>No... education is not "under siege" by them - they just want to correct the problem.

>Money is not the answer - we keep spending more and more and more, but are losing ground.  The complain is about the problem, like the teachers unions, the government control, etc.

>Just saw this today: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZc9m1ca3so

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Oh, a YouTube video. Well, I bow to the ultimate authority of YouTube.

Okay... you obviously ignored the content and by whom.... and just want to troll.  Per the Message Board Guidelines, Good-bye.

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