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Created by: DUKAT!!!!

DUKAT!!!!

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Report this Jan. 22 2013, 3:20 pm

Hi, I was just thinking about Socialism, and wanted to know what you guys thought of it. I've seen multiple people talk about it fondly, so I would like to know what you guys think!


I'd just like to say that at first thought, socialism seems logical. Everyone in equal, everything is fair. But when you get into it, you realize that's not how it plays out. If you get the same amount of money no matter what you do, why should you work? Does that make sense? No! Then you end up like the USSR, when everyone was told what to do, but nobody was good at it. Another thing is the fact that a government who can do good can also do bad. Look at Stalin. He had a government that could provide for the people, but anyone who disagreed with him would be killed. He could do bad just as easily as good. Same with Mao, and pretty much every socialist country.


Anyway, post about what you think of the subject!


DUKAT!!!!! -Major Kira

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Report this Jan. 22 2013, 3:48 pm

Quote: DUKAT!!!! @ Jan. 22 2013, 3:20 pm

>No! Then you end up like the USSR, when everyone was told what to do, but nobody was good at it. Another thing is the fact that a government who can do good can also do bad. Look at Stalin. He had a government that could provide for the people, but anyone who disagreed with him would be killed.
Or just plain starved....  I've mentioned Holodomor here a few times, but need to mention it again.

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Report this Jan. 22 2013, 3:57 pm

 It's Funny; My employer Calls Obama A Socialist; And I Have to Bite My tounge Instead Of Asking "Seroiusly,Do You really KNOW What a Socialist Is?"

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Report this Jan. 22 2013, 4:33 pm

Quote: Fleet Admiral Braxton @ Jan. 22 2013, 3:57 pm

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> It's Funny; My employer Calls Obama A Socialist; And I Have to Bite My tounge Instead Of Asking "Seroiusly,Do You really KNOW What a Socialist Is?"

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Obviously, your employer knows.

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Report this Jan. 23 2013, 10:40 am

Socialism is an economic system characterised by social ownership of the means of production and co-operative management of the economy. "Social ownership" may refer to cooperative enterprises, common ownership, state ownership, or citizen ownership of equity. There are many varieties of socialism and there is no single definition encapsulating all of them. They differ in the type of social ownership they advocate, the degree to which they rely on markets or planning, how management is to be organised within productive institutions, and the role of the state in constructing socialism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism

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Report this Jan. 23 2013, 12:42 pm

Quote: Fleet Admiral Braxton @ Jan. 22 2013, 3:57 pm

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> It's Funny; My employer Calls Obama A Socialist; And I Have to Bite My tounge Instead Of Asking "Seroiusly,Do You really KNOW What a Socialist Is?"

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We don't know he is a socialist himself, but he's freinds with so many marxists, it is sure to rub off on him. What are the sayings? Show me you're freinds and I'll show you your future? What goes into your head is what comes out? If he hangs around with socialists, you think it wouldn't rub off on him?


"Borg. Sounds Swedish."

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Report this Jan. 23 2013, 1:54 pm

Quote: Sehlat123 @ Jan. 23 2013, 12:42 pm

Quote: Fleet Admiral Braxton @ Jan. 22 2013, 3:57 pm

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> It's Funny; My employer Calls Obama A Socialist; And I Have to Bite My tounge Instead Of Asking "Seroiusly,Do You really KNOW What a Socialist Is?"

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We don't know he is a socialist himself, but he's freinds with so many marxists, it is sure to rub off on him. What are the sayings? Show me you're freinds and I'll show you your future? What goes into your head is what comes out? If he hangs around with socialists, you think it wouldn't rub off on him?

Actually, we do know he's a socialist.  Even if we ignore his mentor (a self proclaimed communist and member of the communist party) and all his friends, we just need to look at what Obama supports and listen to what he says.


Just because Obama doesn't come out and say, "Yea... I'm a Marxist / Socialist / Communist!" doesn't mean he's not.  He thinks that just because he doesn't admit it on TV doesn't mean we don't know he is.  Could you imagine how much more opposition he'd come up against if he admitted the truth?


 


To me, it's no difference than watching a person commit a crime and caught in the act, not only by many people, but HD cameras.... and then say that they didn't do it.


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Report this Jan. 23 2013, 3:15 pm

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery."


"The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings. The inherent virtue of Socialism is the equal sharing of miseries"


 


-- Winston Churchill

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Report this Jan. 24 2013, 2:00 pm

We don't know he is a socialist himself, but he's freinds with so many marxists, it is sure to rub off on him. What are the sayings? Show me you're freinds and I'll show you your future? What goes into your head is what comes out? If he hangs around with socialists, you think it wouldn't rub off on him?


He hangs around with a lot of white people too, does that make him white?

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Report this Jan. 24 2013, 2:33 pm

Socialism already exists in America.

Take for example a library. A library is owned in part by the state or local community where anyone is able to use the facility for there purposes such as using the Internet reading a magazine or checking our a book or DVD.

This makes a public library a socialist facility because all can use it free of charge thus showing both public and state ownership or use of such a facility without being a charged a fee.

There are those of course who do not view such a free facility as warranted for free use and only those who work and pay taxes should be allowed to use such a facility. Such individuals are fascists and do not have any idea of how a system works other than their own emotions of having more so they automatically think that they have more say than another thus creating a fascist dictatorial mentality where they only want to have knowledge over another because they pay taxes.

Such individuals are severly and mentally handicapped in their logic and thought processes and should be avoided at all costs because they will use the law against you to incite an act of violence against them based upon their perceptions just to force you believe as they do to make theirselves feel.....more perfect......in essence the Borg.

But does someone under a socialist ideology have either state or personal have the right to enter into your quarters and take what they need from your possesions in order to receive a monetary value from your possesions while making you feel depressed? Such possesion also includes private files on your computer or other information that such an entity may use to once again force you to adhere to a certain thought pattern...or hackers....which are once again assigned to Borg sub category of thought. Stealing what is yours to understand you to change your thoughts to what the Borg Queen wants you think to only better serve her self centered notion of mechanical perfection.

No such people are not socialists but are in fact Ferengi.

A bullfrog with a light in its belly is nothing more than a glutton looking to shine otherwise.

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Report this Jan. 24 2013, 2:45 pm

Quote: darmokattanagra @ Jan. 24 2013, 2:00 pm

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>He hangs around with a lot of white people too, does that make him white?

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You obviously don't know the difference between a political stance and a biological fact.


First of all, I'd like to point out he's just as much white as he is black. But with that aside, no. Do people get influenced to change political parties by friends/experiences? Yes. Does their skin color change to match whoever they're around? Not unless you're a chameleon.


"Borg. Sounds Swedish."

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Report this Jan. 24 2013, 3:35 pm

Take for example a library. A library is owned in part by the state or local community where anyone is able to use the facility for there purposes such as using the Internet reading a magazine or checking our a book or DVD. 

This makes a public library a socialist facility because all can use it free of charge thus showing both public and state ownership or use of such a facility without being a charged a fee.

There are those of course who do not view such a free facility as warranted for free use and only those who work and pay taxes should be allowed to use such a facility. Such individuals are fascists and do not have any idea of how a system works other than their own emotions of having more so they automatically think that they have more say than another thus creating a fascist dictatorial mentality where they only want to have knowledge over another because they pay taxes.


You are correct that public libraries are a form of socialism. However, public libraries are not free of charge, as they are funded by taxes. Individuals pay taxes, thus individuals pay for the use of libraries. Taxes deceive by perception because money is redistrubted by a third party, as opposed to a direct exchange.


Not every individual that pays taxes uses the library. Such individuals are thus forced to pay for a service that gives them no benefit. This is a violent act. In contrast, a private library would be funded by its visitors and no doubt be run more efficiently.

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Report this Jan. 24 2013, 8:20 pm

There are only two types of socialists:


1)  The arrogant who demand to enslave everyone else.


2)  The slaves, who were indoctrinated (by the arrogant) to think that they're too stupid to be free/responsible and need someone else (namely the arrogant) to run their lives.

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Report this Jan. 24 2013, 8:21 pm

Quote: Lone Palm @ Jan. 24 2013, 3:35 pm

>In contrast, a private library would be funded by its visitors and no doubt be run more efficiently.
Like the very first public libraries in the USA! (Hint:  Look up Benjamin Franklin)

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Report this Jan. 30 2013, 8:37 pm

"Not every individual that pays taxes uses the library. Such individuals are thus forced to pay for a service that gives them no benefit. This is a violent act."


Ah, but they have the RIGHT to use it if they choose to do so. They are not being barred from it's use. Taxes are collected to provide a resource and make it available to all. If you opt not to use those resources, that is your choice and your right. There is no violence in that.


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