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The destruction of Star Trek as we knew and loved it.

Sehlat123

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Report this Jan. 17 2013, 10:53 pm

Quote: Synergist @ Jan. 17 2013, 5:57 pm

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>If intended: genius. A whole world of crossover spinoff opportunity there."

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It's funny, whenever I hear someone say "Kardashian" I always think Cardaissian.


 


Anyway, the new movie really is not true Star Trek. I think it's kind of depressing that so many people find real Trek boring, but it's good that it pulled in new fans. Maybe JJ wanted something comparable to Star Wars for all the people who love putting them up against eachother. Now they are 2 action movie franchises.


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Kornula

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Report this Jan. 18 2013, 4:14 am

Has anyone thought that maybe.. just maybe, the franchise should just die? 

beej1300

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Report this Jan. 18 2013, 7:39 am

This concept of hating something you love just boggles my mind.


Star Trek 2009 was a great movie.  I enjoyed it.  Friends who thought Star Trek was boring enjoyed it.  Some even went back and started watching the shows I could never convince them to watch because of it.


It wasn't a reboot.  It was the "next Trek." TOS, TNG, DS9, Voyager and Enterprise still happened.  Spock (Prime) tried to unify the Vulcans and Romulans.  He remembers Data and Picard.  He is now in an alternate world where those events and people may or may not come to be.  But they did still occur.


To paraphrase Brent Spiner when people are upset about Data's fate in Nemesis, "What does Data's fate matter?  There are no plans for more TNG cast movies or shows.  In essence, all those characters are dead because as of Nemesis their story stopped."


Is that what people want?  Star Trek to stop?  Yes, 2009 was different.  But TNG was different than TOS...  And there were people who didn't like it because it was so different...  DS9 was darker than TNG... The Vulcans were jerks in Enterprise.  Each new incarnation is different, but these new incarnations are Star Trek continuing.  You may not like the newest thing...  but can you at least appreciate that it's there?  I do.


Sometimes hardcore fans forget that for something to continue, you need NEW fans.  When something becomes as big as Star Trek or some comic books, it becomes intimidating to try to jump in.  Throw in some negative stereotypes and now they feel no interest in trying at all.


If you can only live with your beloved characters in the original timeline, there are novels and comic books for you.  They don't cost CBS as much to produce as a TV Show or movie.  CBS/Paramount is not going to dump money into a movie based on TNG or Voyager for the thousands of fans that want it.  They will pour money into an endeavor that will please millions and bring in more fans and maybe make those new fans start spending money on the old stuff they wouldn't have looked at before.


I truly enjoyed 2009.  I can't wait for Into Darkness.  I will spend SO much money on Star Trek stuff that wouldn't be offered if it wasn't for these movies.  I will enjoy whatever is next.


Don't get me wrong.  I am not a lemming.  Things can be bad.  Having the Star Trek name on it doesn't give it a free pass.


But this new Trek isn't bad.  It's different. I love it... and I love that I can share it and appreciate with more people than I could before.


Just a few quick counter points to things that have been said:


And as far as JJ Abrams preferring Star Wars over Star Trek...  He turned down the new Star Wars movies from Disney in order to continue on Star Trek because he believes in it:


http://movies.cosmicbooknews.com/content/star-trek-director-jj-abrams-said-no-star-wars


Also, Leonard Nimoy himself was pleased with Zachary Quinto.


Finally, in the 23rd century, Starfleet was a little looser with the Prime Directive... In "Errand of Mercy" Kirk and Spock beam down into what they believe to be the center of a pre-industrial town to warn them that the "Klingons are coming."


If you don't like the NEW Star Trek, that is your opinion.  But if you don't like it JUST because it's different...  that basically flies in the face of everything Star Trek stands for.


At least appreciate that Star Trek is still going because of 2009... and that they respected the fans enough that rather than wiping the slate clean and starting new, this new universe exists because of what came before it.


Personally, I loved it.

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Report this Jan. 18 2013, 12:28 pm

J.J. Abrhams has a great oppurtunity to take Trek ....where no one has gone before.


You have to remember that Nero has changed the timeline....but from a point where many aspects of the old trek Universe still remain.


Here a few time line placeholders that will open up interesting options for J.J. and his Bad Robot.


Remember all of these events occured prior to Star Fleets creation or occured outside of the original timeline even though the events occured after Nero changed time.


1.The V'ger Incident - This event remains unchanged because the launching of the Voyager Probe occured well before the creation of Star Fleet meaning that the probe would have in fact still have fallen through a blackhole and would have been transformed into V'ger. This event sets up a very interesting paradox in the new timeline. We know that the Narada was comprised of Borg technology that would automatically communicate with any Borg receiver thus alerting the Borg to the presence of their technology thus causing a scout ship to investigate the Borg signal. This is possible in the new timeline because the Voyager Probe was long lost before Nero..ero...ro...o, went into the past and changed history. Kirk encountered the V'ger probe in 2273 as it made its way towards Earth. Kirk also encounters Nero in 2258, 15 years before the V'ger Probe arrives at Earth to inquire about its Creator. Given that the Voyager Probe fell into a black hole and emerged in a distant galaxy would allow it to have been shielded from the Nero changing the timeline of Earths past meaning that the V'ger Probe is still on its way to Earth. Also because of the Narada being built partly from Borg technology and many assumptions of the V'ger Probe actually being Borg. The Borg might not be to far behind the V'ger Incident.


2.The Whale Probe - The extinction of the Humpback Whales occured prior to Star Fleets creation meaning that Humpback Whales are still extinct in the new timeline which means that the Whale Probe is still enroute to Earth dispite Nero's changing the timeline.


3.Khan - This event would also still be present in the new time line because Khan existed in the 1990's long before Star Fleet had been created where his container ship would still be drifting in space waiting to be found.


4.The Planet Destroyer - It is well known that the Doomsday Machine was heralded in many canon episodes as being the killer of many planets as well as the scourge of the Borg sent to destroy any planet that the Borg assimiliated. The age of the planetkiller puts it well out of the timeline shift caused by Nero that along with the age of the Borg both would still be conflicting in the new timeline where the planetkiller with Dekara aboard it would still be on its course to invade Federation Space that was encountered by Picard along with the planetkiller encountered by Kirk.


There are various sub-timelines that the four above time line placeholders could create in the new timeline because their historical events would still remain outside the curve of the time shift where their paths would still intersect with the new timeline created by Nero.


If you don't like Star trek.....then go play World of Warcraft and cast your spells while the rest of us envision and create a reality that is creatable....Pah...Panda's that can fight like humans...just fall into a blackhole already.


Star Trek is about exploring the unknown. if you always like being safe....go stick your head in a cookie jar.


Also, Leonard Nimoy himself was pleased with Zachary Quinto.


I was pleased with Zoe Saldana but more importantly the Orion Slave Girl.... are there more of them like her?


 


Ever been around someone who tries to make you think that you where fired from a job or quit but the fact of the matter and reality is that the contract for your services ended thus no longer requiring your assistance?


It would seem that the timeline shift has actually effected humans for real because I hear this crap from people all the time or those who simply speak something hoping to make your mind think that you are in the past or having De Ja Vu?....Absolutely degerated are such people.


A bullfrog with a light in its belly is nothing more than a glutton looking to shine otherwise.

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Report this Jan. 18 2013, 12:40 pm

@dryson: The Countdown comics aren't canon. Neither are the books or games. Only the movies and episodes count.


I agree with the rest of your post, though.


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Report this Jan. 31 2013, 1:50 pm

Abrams is not trying to do anything otheer then make movies suited to his style of storytelling. He likes a rollercoaster ride with mythology mixed in.


There will not be a new trek movie with tecnobabble and will be easy to follow. most likely HERO vs Villian.

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Report this Feb. 07 2013, 12:33 pm

Quote: jeanluckirk737 @ Jan. 14 2013, 7:49 am

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>Abrams admitted that he himself was a bigger  Star Wars fan then a Star Trek fan *me being sick*

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I really don't understand this rivalry between Star Trek & Star Wars I love both I find both to entertaining & intersting as you can tell by my sig I like alot of Scifi & Fantasy I never understood the tension I grew up with both I love both I am 36


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Report this Feb. 07 2013, 2:36 pm

Quote: dryson @ Jan. 18 2013, 12:28 pm

>1.The V'ger Incident - This event remains unchanged because the launching of the Voyager Probe occured well before the creation of Star Fleet meaning that the probe would have in fact still have fallen through a blackhole and would have been transformed into V'ger. This event sets up a very interesting paradox in the new timeline. We know that the Narada was comprised of Borg technology that would automatically communicate with any Borg receiver thus alerting the Borg to the presence of their technology


you are assuming that the Romulans wouldnt have learned how to prevent the incorparted Borg tech from cxontacting other Borg.


Sorry but that just doesnt seem likely.


4.The Planet Destroyer - It is well known that the Doomsday Machine was heralded in many canon episodes as being the killer of many planets as well as the scourge of the Borg sent to destroy any planet that the Borg assimiliated.


Sorry, but no canon sourse has ever drawn a connection between the planet killer and the Borg.


I believe you are confusing info from the novels.


 


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Report this Feb. 07 2013, 7:54 pm

"JJ Abrams is a hack that is trying to destroy Star Trek on purpose."

You are a giant, whining troll.

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Report this Feb. 08 2013, 5:28 am

I have a lot of problems with the OP. Star Trek was long dead well before JJ got to it- in fact, if not for JJ, we would not have any Trek.


I will not argue that ST09 was perfect. Yes, it has its flaws. However, when I compare it to Enterprise, or Voyager, or Nemesis, it is far better.


 


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Report this Feb. 10 2013, 7:49 pm

Enterprise was true to Gene's vision of Star Trek but both Trek fans and the general population rejected it. Paramount auctioned off its entire Star Trek prop vault signifying its lack of faith the franchise could be restarted. JJ had a vision that Paramount bought into and now Trek lives again, maybe not the way we won't it, but it does live. I watched TOS and remember saying that TNG was just a knock off even with Gene's input and every show or movie since that is what each fan base claims. We should embrace this version of Star Trek and its fans for it is only there we truly honor Gene's vision of IDIC and the world he created for all, not just the narrow minded. 

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Report this Feb. 11 2013, 4:11 pm

Quote: dudelovesvoyager @ Jan. 13 2013, 10:09 pm

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>JJ Abrams is a hack that is trying to destroy Star Trek on purpose.

>I saw the extended trailer for Star Trek into Darkness attached to The Hobbit and it was pure crap. I find it quite ironic that Spock was worried about Kirk violating the Prime Directive when he was doing it by trying to stop the natural progression/evolution of a planet by stopping a volcano from erupting. Not to mention the Uhura/Spock love affair...FRACKING YUCK! JJ Abrams is a hack that is destroying Star Trek on purpose. The ONLY thing acceptable about the new Star Trek is the way Karl Urban plays McCoy and Simon Peg plays Scotty. They are not as good as the originals but they are pretty close. Chris Pine as Kirk will never work and Leonard Nimoy's toe jam could play Spock better than Quinto.

>Star Trek is a series and will work best if it returns to the small screen. With the new timeline the Star Trek universe has never been riper for a reboot.

>P.S. The new Enterprise is ugly too. 

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Are you really a fan of STar Trek? the last movie had one of the best opening sequences that i ever saw lately and it was a magnificent, brillant  homenage to the original series! How can you say something like that? 


I really don t understand

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Report this Feb. 14 2013, 9:48 am

Of course you understand, Morosk.


Mainly, it's because some people are so change-resistant and so set in their ways that anything which deviates becomes an emotional issue and creates an angry reaction to the point where some people actually take it personally.


Then what you get is unhealthy, childish lashing-out.

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Report this Feb. 14 2013, 12:09 pm

I didn't enjoy Star Trek 09. I found the changes in the timeline such as Vulcan being destroyed and Present day Spock existing alongside his younger self too much to fathom.

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Report this Feb. 14 2013, 12:15 pm

"I didn't enjoy Star Trek 09. I found the changes in the timeline such as Vulcan being destroyed and Present day Spock existing alongside his younger self too much to fathom."

I have some exceptionally bad news for you regarding pretty much all of Star Trek.

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