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The destruction of Star Trek as we knew and loved it.

Mummatee

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Report this Jan. 16 2013, 1:54 am

Quote: dgjensen75 @ Jan. 16 2013, 1:24 am

Quote: Mummatee @ Jan. 14 2013, 4:40 am

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>I really don't understand why they keep doing this to good series/movies!! They are just going to turn it into a massive joke! I prefer next gen and voyager over the original but please why start from the beginning when it's Just going to get citisisted over and over again! There is more room to move with voyager and next gen! Gahhh it just really annoys me!!!

 

I agree that they're doing some weird things with the franchise with the 2009 movie and Into Darkness, and there definately is more room in the Next Generation timeline than in the Original Series timeline.

I love Voyager and its characters and whatnot, but given that the premise of the whole series was completed at the end of the series, how can any more be done with Voyager?


what happens to them after they come home how is seven of nine accepted in to society, how does star fleet develope all the new technology they have gathered, these are just things off the top of my head but im sure if you sat down and actually thought of it you would come up with something too, call me crazy but i think it would be awewsome thing to see and also see them adapt back into normal life 


Synergist

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Report this Jan. 16 2013, 1:25 pm



... natch.


If intended: genius. A whole world of crossover spinoff opportunity there.


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dgjensen75

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Report this Jan. 16 2013, 2:04 pm

Quote: Synergist @ Jan. 16 2013, 1:25 pm

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>If intended: genius. A whole world of crossover spinoff opportunity there.

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Funny!!


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Report this Jan. 16 2013, 2:43 pm

Quote: Mummatee @ Jan. 16 2013, 1:54 am

Quote: dgjensen75 @ Jan. 16 2013, 1:24 am

Quote: Mummatee @ Jan. 14 2013, 4:40 am

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>I really don't understand why they keep doing this to good series/movies!! They are just going to turn it into a massive joke! I prefer next gen and voyager over the original but please why start from the beginning when it's Just going to get citisisted over and over again! There is more room to move with voyager and next gen! Gahhh it just really annoys me!!!

 

I agree that they're doing some weird things with the franchise with the 2009 movie and Into Darkness, and there definately is more room in the Next Generation timeline than in the Original Series timeline.

I love Voyager and its characters and whatnot, but given that the premise of the whole series was completed at the end of the series, how can any more be done with Voyager?

what happens to them after they come home how is seven of nine accepted in to society, how does star fleet develope all the new technology they have gathered, these are just things off the top of my head but im sure if you sat down and actually thought of it you would come up with something too, call me crazy but i think it would be awewsome thing to see and also see them adapt back into normal life 


 


I think the tough thing for dedicatd, hardcore fans (particularly those who are really passionate about one particular incarnation of Trek, like "Voyager" in this case) to get their heads wrapped around is that there is a HUGE difference between what you as an individual would consider "awesome" and what most viewers / potential audience members would consider "awesome." 


Sora's post was a very good one, to that point. The reality of it is, the Star Trek franchise was not very popular by the time Voyager went off the air. It was even less popular when Enterprise failed and Nemesis bombed at the box office. So, it's really a "rock and a hard place" situation. You can't have that old Star Trek back. Except for the really hardcore, dedicated fans...that style of storytelling and that vast universe were just not engaging the hearts and minds of the audience any longer. So, you have to produce a movie franchise that is more accessible and has a chance of winning over a new and fresh audience at the risk of putting aside some of the sacred elements the hardcore fans care about. That's what the JJ Abrams Trek team knew. That's what they went and did. There was no prefect solution that would have pleased everyone...but this was the best possible result in a very difficult situation. 


A Voyager movie would simply not matter to enough people. As Picard said to Wesley in "Sumaritan Snare"-   "Wishing for something does not make it so."


 


The choice available was (and still is):


1. Have a Star Trek that is compromised and somewhat different than the last 25 years worth of programming that may irritate and even alienate some fans, but actually re-energize the franchise from a mass-appeal standpoint and hopefully create a whole new generation of fans


 


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2. The franchise is dead. Because a Voyager movie, a DS9 movie, or a "new crew, new adventures" movie simply wouldn't be successful. There's not enough interest or mass-appeal to doing that. 


 


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Synergist

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Report this Jan. 16 2013, 2:59 pm

Quote: Vger23 @ Jan. 16 2013, 2:43 pm

>The choice available was (and still is):

>1. Have a Star Trek that is compromised and somewhat different than the last 25 years worth of programming that may irritate and even alienate some fans, but actually re-energize the franchise from a mass-appeal standpoint and hopefully create a whole new generation of fans

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>2. The franchise is dead. Because a Voyager movie, a DS9 movie, or a "new crew, new adventures" movie simply wouldn't be successful. There's not enough interest or mass-appeal to doing that. 

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Hear hear. I for one am a longtime fan - not on the same level of devotion as my love for Firefly, but definitely fairly serious (watched every episode at least twice, etc). Along with the silent majority, who will likely never come to these forums or air their opinions in public, I quite like the new film for what it is, appreciate that it was done fairly lovingly and in great deail whilst studiously avoiding turning it into a Total Recallesque shambles of a remake.


I accept that the franchise's move away from prior established presentation, and a little canon, is necessary - and not entirely unwelcome. If it grants it a reinvigoration, plus 30+ more years of a franchise for new and old audiences to enjoy together, you can't begrudge it that. I'm looking forward to the second film.


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Report this Jan. 16 2013, 4:03 pm

Quote: dudelovesvoyager @ Jan. 13 2013, 10:09 pm

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>JJ Abrams is a hack that is trying to destroy Star Trek on purpose.

>I saw the extended trailer for Star Trek into Darkness attached to The Hobbit and it was pure crap. I find it quite ironic that Spock was worried about Kirk violating the Prime Directive when he was doing it by trying to stop the natural progression/evolution of a planet by stopping a volcano from erupting. Not to mention the Uhura/Spock love affair...FRACKING YUCK! JJ Abrams is a hack that is destroying Star Trek on purpose. The ONLY thing acceptable about the new Star Trek is the way Karl Urban plays McCoy and Simon Peg plays Scotty. They are not as good as the originals but they are pretty close. Chris Pine as Kirk will never work and Leonard Nimoy's toe jam could play Spock better than Quinto.

>Star Trek is a series and will work best if it returns to the small screen. With the new timeline the Star Trek universe has never been riper for a reboot.

>P.S. The new Enterprise is ugly too. 

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Well doesn't this have a familiar ring to it...guess it was only a matter of time before the dark one returned.

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Mitchz95

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Report this Jan. 16 2013, 4:52 pm

Quote: AtoZ2 @ Jan. 16 2013, 4:03 pm

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>Well doesn't this have a familiar ring to it...guess it was only a matter of time before the dark one returned.


As I recall, the dark one started every post with "Look". Assuming we're talking about the same person, that is.


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Report this Jan. 16 2013, 9:36 pm

Well said Sora.  A whole-hearted 'aye' to all your comments. 


LLAP

dgjensen75

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Report this Jan. 16 2013, 10:57 pm

Quote: Synergist @ Jan. 16 2013, 2:59 pm

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>Total Recallesque shambles of a remake?

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Please explain.


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Synergist

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Report this Jan. 17 2013, 8:16 am

Quote: dgjensen75 @ Jan. 16 2013, 10:57 pm

Quote: Synergist @ Jan. 16 2013, 2:59 pm

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>Total Recallesque shambles of a remake?

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Please explain.


 


Total Recallesque Shambles
Serves 1


Step 1: Take one recognised, classic film. (It extrapolated on Dick's short story and diverged away from the final resolution but it was still, I felt, in the spirit of the original plot.)


Step 2: Remove all references to Mars and aliens. Add robots, and utterly unconvincing primary antagonist.


Step 3: Mix in ridiculous premise about travelling through the very core of the Earth with a physics-defying vehicle in order to get to work.


Step 4: ditch all the fun mutants (Kuato! Noooo!); reveal key plot twists far too early and far too simplistically.


Step 5: Deploy your neatly prepared, overly obvious robot-facilitated uprising. (Seriously?)


Step 6: Remove most witty script lines and a few nice and complex plot twists (modern day audiences can't handle the intensity and depth of acting such as delivered by Schwarzenegger).


Step 7: Have your two protagonists, armed with not much more than a jet and a bunch of C4, thwart the invasion. Add final obviously portrayed minor plot twist.


Step 8: Resolve the last critical unanswered question from the story and the original film -- 'is Quail/d still dreaming? Did any of this actually happen?'


(Today's audiences apparently require an endorphin-packed neat and tidy resolution so any lingering suggestion of uncertainy is first against the wall.)


Step 9: Ensure Colin Farrell has limply and unconvincingly acted the main part. Enhance this in the edit if necessary. Supporting cast should only thinly define characters to save space for requisite explosions. No chemistry or mindfucks please, we're British. Restrict punchlines to "Corny" or below.


Step 10: Postproduction: Induce relentless action in a massively expensive CG manifested universe with all scenes portrayed at either 100% or 1% intensity level; this makes for a better compression ratio when released on Blu-ray. (Garçon, MORE EXPLOSIONS!)


 


Serving Suggestion


Bring to the boil; mix until lumps disappear. Serve on large screen. Leave leftovers to stand for three months then serve again on DVD


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Vger23

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Report this Jan. 17 2013, 10:26 am

Quote: Synergist @ Jan. 16 2013, 2:59 pm

Quote: Vger23 @ Jan. 16 2013, 2:43 pm

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>The choice available was (and still is):

>1. Have a Star Trek that is compromised and somewhat different than the last 25 years worth of programming that may irritate and even alienate some fans, but actually re-energize the franchise from a mass-appeal standpoint and hopefully create a whole new generation of fans

>OR

>2. The franchise is dead. Because a Voyager movie, a DS9 movie, or a "new crew, new adventures" movie simply wouldn't be successful. There's not enough interest or mass-appeal to doing that. 

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Hear hear. I for one am a longtime fan - not on the same level of devotion as my love for Firefly, but definitely fairly serious (watched every episode at least twice, etc). Along with the silent majority, who will likely never come to these forums or air their opinions in public, I quite like the new film for what it is, appreciate that it was done fairly lovingly and in great deail whilst studiously avoiding turning it into a Total Recallesque shambles of a remake.

I accept that the franchise's move away from prior established presentation, and a little canon, is necessary - and not entirely unwelcome. If it grants it a reinvigoration, plus 30+ more years of a franchise for new and old audiences to enjoy together, you can't begrudge it that. I'm looking forward to the second film.


 


Thanks!


I love Firefly / Serenity too by the way...it's my second favorite sci-fi franchise...!


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Sora

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Report this Jan. 17 2013, 1:04 pm

Thanks to everyone who has supported me in what I said.


From time to time Vger and I often clash in our opinions of the OCD extreme details of Trek, but we definitely agree here.


If you don't like the new movie series, I'm sorry for you, and I agree that the new movie series just isn't the same, but as we've said that is the point, with as much as we the hardcore fans will always love what we had, it simply doesn't sell to the general public. We will always see "Classic Trek" as pure gold, and a masterpiece, but the general public finds it boring.


Now I raise my glass to everyone who got into from 2009, good for you! I'm thankful that you have found Trek, and I hope you enjoy it for years to come. This is a wonderful franchise, and an amazing. In my opinion, Star Trek is the best series ever created. There's no show better than Star Trek. I love every series and every film, every season. I consider myself a very hardcore Trekkie, and I'm always happy to hear that someone has found Trek and is enjoying it.


Please don't take it personally if anyone tries to tell you that you're less of a fan for starting with 2009. Everyone has to start somewhere, and 2009 is a great place to start.  


I won't get into my opinions about what I think is the best series and movie, as that's another debate altogether. I'm certainly happy to let any newbies make that determination on their own. But I will say this, every series and every movie is amazing, and any one of the series is worthy of being your favorite. Don't let any of the few disgruntled fans put you down because they don't like what you're favorite is. Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations!


In final regards to the 2009 film, someone mentioned that the 2009 flim feels much more like a film than any of the others do, and I will also agree with that. I think Abrams wanted to make this movie very cinematic, and that was easy to do because 2009 didn't come directly from a series. It was a remake of TOS basically. Whereas with both the TOS and TNG movies, those were movies of tv series, and because of that, they needed to make them big, but also keep a similar feel to the movies, so yes I will say that pretty much all 10 original movies are basically glorified 3 part episodes. Some say 2 part episodes, but the movies are all too long to just be 2 episodes, so I say about 3.


There's not anything wrong with that by any means, the original 10 movies were movies made for the fans of the tv series. If didn't watch and love the show, you weren't going to like the movies. Now 2009 was intentionally made for everyone to like, fan or non-fan.

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Report this Jan. 17 2013, 4:13 pm

Quote: Synergist @ Jan. 16 2013, 4:25 pm


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"... natch.

If intended: genius. A whole world of crossover spinoff opportunity there."

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Report this Jan. 17 2013, 5:33 pm

Typical Narrow-Minded Idiots trying to Trash the Current Representations Just because they don't LIKE Them;GROW UP,PEOPLE! Stop Your Damn Whining And Just Pay Attention To What's really going on!

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Report this Jan. 17 2013, 5:57 pm

Quote: Blockman @ Jan. 17 2013, 4:13 pm

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>"... natch.

If intended: genius. A whole world of crossover spinoff opportunity there."

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