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Enterprise-D so easily destroyed?

D. Cottingham

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Report this Jan. 08 2013, 2:29 pm

Well if you watch closely, you will that the shields of the Enterprise are still up, but the klingon torpedoes are passing right through them.

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Report this Jan. 08 2013, 3:10 pm

Guys, I don't think that the "egg shell" shields are strong enough for torpedoes. Its power can be lowered but it can still go throuh the shields.


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Fleet Admiral Braxton

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Report this Jan. 08 2013, 3:53 pm

Well,Since there was not Even a Implication Of Any Kind of Armor Installed on Enterprise-D, Just Why Is that shocking?

Capt William Brewster

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Report this Jan. 08 2013, 9:31 pm

I agree guys, Lt Commander Riker as well as the engineering crew forgot to reset the shield modulation codes though it was not too much of a bad occurance when one has been in space for months and months and on varied missions though I don't think they expected the Duras Sisters would capture Lt Commander Geordi LaForge, nor I think many imagined he had survived the explosion of the planet either.


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Report this Jan. 08 2013, 9:34 pm

Admiral Braxton, it is not shocking but "quite logical" I think you might say; the Enterprise-D does have an "armored skin" but relies on powerful electromagnetic shielding and Deflector Shielding that is suppose to repel any normal attack.   I think few of the Enterprise-D crew would have thought that Geordi LaForge was saved so the Duras Sisters could spy on the Enterprise-D.


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Report this Jan. 08 2013, 9:42 pm

Exactly D Cottingham, since the Shield Codes were hacked by the Duras Sisters then the Enterprise-D Shields were to have flaws in them much like broken satellite signals to our tvs in the summertime or with alot of sunspots of our own Sol sun.   I think that the special effects people made the right choices in showing flawed shields of the Enterprise-D where the Klingon Bird Of Prey Torpedoes passed through gaps in the shields.


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Report this Jan. 09 2013, 5:37 am

But maybe the right thing they've got to do first was excatly to fire back.


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Report this Jan. 10 2013, 8:12 am

Yes JroWebb and D. Cottingham, I would suspect that the Enterprise-E Sovereign Class had about 18 Shields covering the ship but also had a armored skin that protected it.   You look at blueprints of Scott's Guide To The Enterprise or at the Star Trek:TNG Technical Manual you will have mentions of the USS Enterprise-D having a Composite Bond microfoam duranium filaments.   The inner hull armored skin is made from ceramic polymer composites, A 3rd inner framework is made up of an network of outterbone polyduranide support rods with an inner core of ceramic polymer composites.    This 3layer skin and "armor" makes the USS Enterprise-D's armored turtleshell.   However it can be breeched if the electromagnetic shielding is down or compromised.   I would think that the USS Enterprise Sovereign Class starship has automatically remodulating shields and codes so you cannot get a proper view of the Engineering Console screens thereby seeing the current Shield Code setting.

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Report this Jan. 10 2013, 10:40 am

It wouldn't matter how much armor is on a starship when high energy weapons are impacting directly onto it. Look at how much damage the Defiant took after Sisko upgraded it with Ablative Armor. The Enterprise took direct hits in sensitve areas, those areas could have held out IF Riker had remodulated the shields. Those torpedoes passed right thru the shields. They didn't lose energy after they passed and they didn't lose their effectiveness impacting onto duranium, ceramic composites, or from some other thing. If those had been modern photon torpedoes instead of 20 yr old torpedoes, the Enterprise and the crew would be dead. 

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Report this Jan. 10 2013, 4:56 pm

Quote: Capt William Brewster @ Jan. 10 2013, 8:12 am

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>Yes JroWebb and D. Cottingham, I would suspect that the Enterprise-E Sovereign Class had about 18 Shields covering the ship but also had a armored skin that protected it.   You look at blueprints of Scott's Guide To The Enterprise or at the Star Trek:TNG Technical Manual you will have mentions of the USS Enterprise-D having a Composite Bond microfoam duranium filaments.   The inner hull armored skin is made from ceramic polymer composites, A 3rd inner framework is made up of an network of outterbone polyduranide support rods with an inner core of ceramic polymer composites.    This 3layer skin and "armor" makes the USS Enterprise-D's armored turtleshell.   However it can be breeched if the electromagnetic shielding is down or compromised.   I would think that the USS Enterprise Sovereign Class starship has automatically remodulating shields and codes so you cannot get a proper view of the Engineering Console screens thereby seeing the current Shield Code setting.

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So you mean that the Sovereign-class has got a transphasic shield system?


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Report this Jan. 10 2013, 5:48 pm

Quote: jrowebb @ Jan. 10 2013, 10:40 am

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>It wouldn't matter how much armor is on a starship when high energy weapons are impacting directly onto it. Look at how much damage the Defiant took after Sisko upgraded it with Ablative Armor. The Enterprise took direct hits in sensitve areas, those areas could have held out IF Riker had remodulated the shields. Those torpedoes passed right thru the shields. They didn't lose energy after they passed and they didn't lose their effectiveness impacting onto duranium, ceramic composites, or from some other thing. If those had been modern photon torpedoes instead of 20 yr old torpedoes, the Enterprise and the crew would be dead. 

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Agree. I think the shields are very useful even they're easy to be taken down. They've got strong energy that could protect the starship. I remembered the shields of the Enterprise-A were taken down by Klingon torpedoes. The last torpedo just easily penetrated the hulls and went through. It seemed that the torpedo did explode in the saucer. But the ones before just exploded on the surface of the hull. So the shields are really important. In Star Trek: Generations, it was said that the warp core was hit. Just think about the terrible thing it would happen immediately if the Enterprise-D had got the hull like Enterprise-A. It is a tragedy that teh Enterprise-D crashed but I think it's a certain result when being attacked without shields.


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Report this Jan. 22 2013, 12:45 pm

compared to the beating the 1701E took from Shinzon the destruction of the D was soooo weak.

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Report this Jan. 22 2013, 2:18 pm

Yeah, Enterprise E v Scimitar was an incredible battle compared to the lax in judgment call in the Enterprise D v Bird of Prey battle. In all the series the Enterprise holds out, but I wonder why in the movies the writers decide to pass the buck and stick it to the ship. The defiant in First Contact was mopped, but in the DS9 series it stood it's ground, BUT the ship had Worf instead of Sisko. So yeah, drama and action is everything when it comes to movie battles.

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Report this Jan. 22 2013, 2:55 pm

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>Again, agreed. The Enterprise-E v Scimitar was incredible. However, at the first sign that the Scimitar was following under cloak, I would have just jumped to warp 9 to signal the battle group.

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The E was already traveling at maximum warp. And the Scimitar took out their warp drive early in the attack.


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Report this Jan. 25 2013, 3:57 pm

I always wondered how the Bird of Prey survived the D's counter-attack. Regardless of the Duras shield frequency advantage, I assumed the D's superior firepower in the form of multiple phaser banks & stockpile of photon torpedoes would have ripped the tiny Bird of Prey to shreds. Instead the Enterprise was portrayed as a gigantic bulk struggling to make even the simplest evasive maneuvers during the battle.
 
Wish the writers had given both the Enterprise and Kirk more epic deaths.  

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