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Enterprise-D so easily destroyed?

D. Cottingham

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Report this Jan. 06 2013, 2:19 pm

After going back and watching Generations again today, I was reminded how easily it seemed the Enterprise was destroyed. It just seemed a little weird to me that a 20 year old bird-of-prey was so easily able to disable a Galaxy class ship. I understand the fact that the Klingons had their shield frequencies but seriously???? We have seen other ships like Voyager and Defiant take a lot more of a beating than the Enterprise did without their shields. I guess they never considered changing their shield frequencies either.

D. Cottingham

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Report this Jan. 06 2013, 6:02 pm

In the Voyager episode "Year of Hell" the transphasic torpedoes that the Krenim warships used went right through Voyagers shields, but Voyager seemed to fare far better than the Enterprise did without their shields!

Mitchz95

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Report this Jan. 06 2013, 6:17 pm

Yeah, it was brought down a bit too easiiy. I've seen the D vaporize a BoP in one shot before. Why not now?


Regardless, the crash scene that followed was nothing short of epic. I have that track on my iPod.


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D. Cottingham

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Report this Jan. 06 2013, 6:30 pm

I agree, the crash scene that followed was indeed epic. It was just sad to see the Enterprise go out in a fight against a BoP. Maybe a fight against a Romulan warbird or something a little more epic.

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Report this Jan. 06 2013, 9:32 pm

Ships named Enterprise do quite well in series, but just get screwed in movies.

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Report this Jan. 07 2013, 1:05 am

Agree. The Enterprise 1701 (refitted) got overloaded when only a Klingon torpedo hit. It was strange. Like in Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country, only two Federation torpedoes hit Admiral Chang's Bird of Prey and destroyed it. And in Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan, the Enterprise was hit by several Federation torpedoes and got attacked from phasers but it existed to be okay. It was repaired a little bit in Star Trek III: The Search for Spock. It should still be existing cause it has got its shields up, but it didn't.


 


It is said that the Klingon torpedo in the Generations had hit the warp core of the Enterprise. It did not explode at once but at last the protection system of the core got failing and it exploded.


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D. Cottingham

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Report this Jan. 07 2013, 2:55 pm

Look at the beating the Enterprise-E took without shields from the Schimatar. That was quite impresive.

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Report this Jan. 07 2013, 3:22 pm

Hell! Shinzon. That was crackpot. Remans have got the most advanced vessels in the galaxy, regardless of the Borg vessels. Over twenty phasers on the front side.


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D. Cottingham

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Report this Jan. 07 2013, 6:30 pm

I know! I was surprised the Enterprise-E did as well as it did.

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Report this Jan. 07 2013, 6:46 pm

Well, yeah. Thanks to the experienced commanding group. They've done a great job. If there was a foolish captain, the Enterprise-E won't be so lucky (Jean-Luc Picard is good at diplomacy and archaeogeology).


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Capt William Brewster

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Report this Jan. 08 2013, 12:12 pm

I think it was quite possible to destroy the Enterprise-D since Lt. Commander Geordi LaForge did not know his VISOR sight device had been compromised.    More or less finding out what the Engineering Shield Codes were on the Enterprise-D was, would make it so that Lursa and B'etore could actually turn off the Enterprise-D shields and attack it exactly like they did.    Of course the producers of that movie had to allow the Klingon Sisters their advantage; I read "The Return Of Kirk" and that book was a very interesting read with similiar spy vs spy cloak and dagger events in it.   While Generations was not exactly the same as the book "The Return Of Kirk", there is no reason not to think that getting the Shield Codes in such a way cannot be done, the Duras Sisters indeed did it for Dr Sorn.


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Report this Jan. 08 2013, 12:19 pm

Yes the Enterprise Sovereign E is a great starship.   Would anyone be so surprised that I made a model of one out of cereal box cardboard in the correct shapes and with engines on the side wing struts?   I did not paint it but glued it together with wood-cardboard school glue, it was quite a project and I had a few things around that looked like phaser and photon torpedoe launcher tubes and added those to my model.   The model is about 10" long.


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Report this Jan. 08 2013, 1:09 pm

Enterprise D was destroyed because Cmdr. Riker didn't think to remodulate the shields. It was the mose obvious and logical thing to do but he didn't do it, nor did anyone else think to do it. 


The Scimitar was a beast, but the Entrprise E had the flaw (writer's idea) of using old style shields instead of the 'egg shell' shields. The battle was a decent dog fight but, logically, if the Scimitar had so many disrupterbanks and launchers, WITH primary and secondary shields it didn't have to flying around avoiding phaser fire.

D. Cottingham

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Report this Jan. 08 2013, 1:34 pm

It was just amazing to me the kind of beatings voyager withstood.

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Report this Jan. 08 2013, 1:46 pm

Quote: jrowebb @ Jan. 08 2013, 1:09 pm

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>Enterprise D was destroyed because Cmdr. Riker didn't think to remodulate the shields. It was the mose obvious and logical thing to do but he didn't do it, nor did anyone else think to do it.

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Maybe the Klingons took out the shield array in their opening volley.


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