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Review/Thoughts of Star Trek Voyager compared to Other Series

Lannister

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Report this Jan. 05 2013, 5:49 pm

This is my opinion/review of Star Trek Voyager as a whole compared to the other Star Trek Series's. Most of this will be criticisms of the show. I felt like writing this to describe the things that bothered me with this show. A good portion of this has most likely been written about before. The show is not in anyway terrible at all. I would give the show probably a 7.5/10, but it isn't nearly as good as DS9 and TNG. I tend to watch the shows in chronological order as to when they aired, so Voyager after I finish TNG season 7, DS9 with TNG season 6 and forward, and along side Voyager for it's last 5 seasons. Watching Voyager and DS9 may further amplify the things that annoyed me with the show. I will say that I enjoyed Voyager more than the Original Series mostly based on the fact that I think it had a lot more "good" episodes. This probably seems blasphemous but, from the Original Series, I only liked the episodes featuring Klingons, Romulans, Mudd, Khan, and that one alien that was killing people in the mine to protect it's eggs. The Original Series suffers from the 60's goffiness like the Batman series. Had they taken it more serious in approach to something like Bonanza, it may have worn a little better. I was born in the 80's so I grew up with TNG. I'm just not a fan of the 60's t.v. show style, but I do love the movies 2 through 6. I will say that if I had not grown up with TNG, that DS9 would be considered my favorite, but I consider them a tie. Their is something special about TNG to me, though I will admit that DS9 had the best writing and characters as a whole.



Note: I've yet to watch Enterprise so my opinions will be with respect to all the shows prior to Enterprise.



The first big problem with this show is the characters. This show has the worst characters of all Star Trek shows. I can honestly say that that I only like Seven of Nine, The Doctor, and Tuvok out of the entire crew of Voyager. Pretty much every other character is either annoying, rude, or retarded. B'lana Torres is basically a 13 year old teenage snotty teen. "Rarr, who are you and what do you want? Rarr Rarr." Basically every encounter with any person or alien species results in her insulting them or making some nasty comment. Neelix just acts goofy and retarded for the last 5 seasons."Herp derp morale officer. Lets play Cotiscot and be friends!". Kes has to be the worst character ever. "Gee I'm so naive. Look how utterly uninteresting I am." Talk about a waste. Even the writers admit this. I will state that the rude part doesn't apply to Kes or Neelix. Harry Kim is downright lame. "Oh my god, I kissed a girl. If Janeway finds out she'll ground me, wahhh." I mean jesus, he makes Wesley Crusher seem like Maverick from Top Gun. Chekotay was pretty much just there. "Oh gee captain, I just agree with everything you say".  My fault with Janeway lies in how her character was so wishy-washy. Her personality never seemed consistent. Half the time she would act like Picard and then she would act like Kirk. She'd be willing to kill her entire crew and then the very next episode she wants to get them home and doesn't want to put anyone in danger. She'd be all about the prime directive and then completely disregard it. There are episodes where she'd encounter an alien species which tell her to get out of their territory in which she blatantly refuses, and/or destroys their ships in an ensuing fight, or disregards them because they don't impose a threat. Then the very next episode she is adamant about not violating the prime directive and taking the extra time to reach home. And then the next episode after this she'll smuggle people on her ship. I found it laughable how she was ridiculing Captain Ransom over their killing of a dozen aliens when she's done it so many times to shorten her journey.



Another point: Pretty much every character with the exception of the three I mentioned treat the Doctor like garbage. I can't recall any episodes of TNG where the crew mates didn't treat Data like a human being. Yet in Voyager, the Doctor has to fight for the right not to be tampered with, etc. I really enjoyed the episode "Author, Author!" which played on this, and I found it hillarious how the crew acted like The Doctor was out of line. With the exception of the part where the holo-novel has Janeway killing a crew member, everything else was spot on and did happen. I also was annoyed with all the groveling towards Janeway. "Oh Janeway, you're so perfect. It's only because of you that I can function." Basically every character seems to come to her or rely on her advice and moral support for anything that they do. I will concede that some characters did rely on others half of the time, such as B'lana and Chekotay, and Harry and Tom, Seven and the Doctor. I don't remember every character in TNG or DS9 always coming to Picard or Sisko respectively for regular daily advice. I recall Geordi going to Guinan, Deanna confiding in Riker and Beverly. They just seemed to try their best to make Janeway perfect and always have the right answers over an over. "Oh Janeway, I can't believe I had the gumption to disagree with you!" Basically any fight or argument between her and a character would basically end up with Janeway being proven right. Case in point, and  disagreement between her and Chekotay.



The next big problem I have is with the writing in the show. I won't deny that there were very good episodes in the series. The show seemed to suffer from crap just happening to cause drama. There were three common scenarios that happened which always got on my nerves.



Scenario 1: Wham! Tuvok: "Shields down to 85%". Wham! Tuvok: "Shields down to 70%". Janeway: "engage warp!". Wham! Kim: "Warp drive is offline". Tuvok: "Shields down to 55%". Janeway: "Fire photon Torpedoes!" Wham! "Tuvok: "Photon Torpedoes offline, shields down to 40%". So on and so forth till finally they conjure up the most ridiculous way to win.



Scenario 2: Wham! Tuvok: "Shields down to 85%". Janeway: "Hail them". Wham! Tuvok: "Shields down to 70%". Wham! Tuvok: "Shields down to 55%". Janeway: "Keep Hailing!" Wham! "Shields down to 40%". Wham! "Shields down to 25%". Janeway: "Okay, I guess fire phasors now that we're almost dead".



Scenario 3: Basically similar to the two above, but where Janeway just orders Tuvok to disable their weapons and/or whatever system they want. This is just stupid. I would understand it if they were fighting an inferior ship, which they did in some instances which is okay, but this would happen for 75% of their battles. I don't remember this happening very frequently in the other shows.



They may as well just have made the plot be that Voyager is a deep space ship exploring the delta quadrant. They never seemed to have any issues with supplies and ship repairs in general across the series as a whole. They did mention supplies and energy in a couple episodes in the beginning of the series which was cool, but that went away rapidly. How the hell wasn't the ship falling apart or showing the signs of battle/time. It's not exactly as if they had any starbases around to repair their hull which is something that DS9 and TNG crews had access to and were mentioned doing. I also love the fact that the crew of Voyager are the smartest people in the galaxy. Oh gee we just invented trans-galactic communication. Oh gee we are in the middle of now where but we just redesigned the engines to be way better with no access to equipment and crews. Oh gee we just invented this amazing stellar cartography system on our own.



The other part which bothered me a lot was with the Borg. The Unimatrix Zero stuff was just retarded. This just seemed to completely trash all the stuff the Doctor did. It always seemed to me like post-TNG, the writers ruined the borg. Going off of the show, they never cared about the loss of individual drones whatsoever. Now one drone dreams and the Queen is all about destroying ships full of them, yeah whatever. It's amazing how a whole fleet of ships can barely take out one borg ship without stustaining heavy damage and losses, yet Voyager can single-handedly go toe to toe with the borg and just escape easily whenever. Watching Best of Both Worlds and Q, Who, you'd think they were a totally different race compared to Voyager's interpretation. The Borg in Voyager appear to be incompetent along with the Queen. I will say that I'm not the biggest fan of the Queen concept as introduced in First Contact, but atleast she didn't come across as totally incompetent in that movie.



I absolutely loved the Hirogen up until they decided to make them retarded. Their first couple of introductory episodes actually showed them as menacing and then they turned into sissies who fall for obvious traps. The episode with the holgrams come to mind where they fall for the silliest traps ever. I'm sorry but any species that have been relying on hunting for 1000's of years and shown the competency that they showed in hunting species 8472 (cunning and dangerous) wouldn't fall for some rigged decoy ship. Especially given that their sensors were said to be far better than Voyagers, but conveniently they act retarded and  Janeway once again saves the day! Don't get me started on the Kazon who were completely lame. Basically remove all the interesting parts of Klingon culture and you have the Kazon. The Vidians I actually liked. They actually did make these guys threatening. Hats off to the writers for this race.
The other area where Voyager falls short is on the secondary characters. The most interesting secondary characters that they came up with is Seska, Cullah, Borg Queen, the Wildmans, and Carey. Seska seems to be unanimously considered the most interesting character who was created in this series, and compared to the main secondary characters in DS9 and TNG, she is lame. "Har I'm bad and I'm deceiving you! Har I took your bodily fluids!"



I honestly think that if the show had better writing to the level of DS9 and Janeway's character was less Janeway like, I'd like the show a lot more. The writing just doesn't seem as intelligent as DS9 or TNG. Perhaps they just ran out of ideas or something I spent around $370 for the series on DVD, however, I don't know if I really would be willing to spend the same amount for the blu rays atleast at this time. I would if they have some sort of special holiday discount for a good price. DS9 and TNG are definate day one buys for me. I always felt that the shows to me could be grouped for different sets of people as follows: Voyager tends to have a liberal leaning, whereas TNG seemed to be balanced around the center, and DS9 tends to be conservative leaning.



Looking for other peoples thoughts on whether they agree or disagree with my opinions and why. This is probably not the first post of this kind, but perhaps people have had the chance to watch these shows more times and perhaps have grown on some of them. I'm putting this in the general board to get a broad set of opinions.

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Report this Jan. 05 2013, 6:56 pm

You lost me when you said TOS was a goofy 60s show like Batman. Credibility = flushed. 

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Report this Jan. 05 2013, 8:29 pm

Personally, Voyager was my favorite series. I greatly enjoyed the fact that the crew had to survive on their own. They didn't have the luxury of going to starbases for repairs and supplies. Another aspect I enjoyed greatly about Voyger was the merging of two different crews; Maquis and Starfleet. This made Voyager more unique than other Star Trek series.

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Report this Jan. 05 2013, 9:04 pm

The comment about the goofiness wasn't intended to imply that there weren't intelligent episodes in TOS or that the characters needed to be more uptight like the TNG crew. It was intended to describe the cheesey fight scenes, lousy directing, and some poor acting. All the shows featured social and political commentary. Not sure why you think that TOS makes you think more than TNG. All the shows had episodes that made you think. And to be fare, TNG had a good bit of goofilly directed, cheesey fight scenes, and poor acted episodes as well. Quite a good bit in season one and some in season two. Both of those are not my favorite seasons of TNG. On this same note, DS9 wasn't nearly as goofy as TNG was as a whole


As far as technobabble, I wholeheartedly agree that technobabble was very much present in TNG. It was in DS9 quite a bit too. The problem that I have with the technobabble in the example that I gave was specifically tied to the example scenario I provided. They would litteraly wait till they were just about destroyed before executing some magical maneuver, quite in the same manner as in Generations with the klingon fight. My problem isn't with them even using the techno-babble per se, but with them waiting till their shields were nearly gone before they even start fighting back.


I do think that sometimes in all shows they are to rigid when it comes to the PD. My biggest beef with voyager was how they'd seem to do a complete 180 in their implementation/interpretation of it. It screams of different writing staff to me. They are half the time adamant about not giving away technology such as photon torpedoes, or replicators, but then go and give a super-nano-virus to the borg to fight species 8472.


I'm actually quite baffled as to how you say they treated EMH just fine and Data got treated like crap. I can recall Picard telling Data to shut up, but I don't remember people coming in and shutting him down without permission. The EMH is based on AI and so is Data. It's just that Data has a physical body. That is the only difference between them besides rank. How many episodes in TNG were there where if Data glitched they casually decide to wipe or alter his memory or screw with his program because they don't like something or he behaved strangely. I recall them going out of their way to repair him, not start deleting memory, etc. They would constantly fall back on that "You're a hologram, so we can do whatever we want to you." The teasing and mocking that was shown to Data and Spock which I agree with you that there was, was also done to the Doctor when they kept calling him arrogant, or would walk out on him mid sentence, or as I mentioned just turn him off in mid sentence. etc. I'm sure as a person I too would be hesitant initially around Data and the EMH. My thoughts were more in line with the characters of the show and how they treated folks.


As for B'Elanna, she was a 30 year old who acted like a 13 year old, randomly snapping at people for no reason or little things. I agree the Troi experience was goofy. I'm not a woman, but I would think you'd feel violated. I don't particularly care for that episode much. I don't think B'Elanna would have done anything other than screamed "RARRR I can't believe some alien went inside my body!. I'm Angry Rarrr!" Sure she would probably punch a wall, but that would be how she would act. There were some episodes where she was perfectly fine. Anybody who acted like she did, wouldn't be put in a command position (for example punching people she didn't agree with). The smartest person in the room isn't necessarily the person who is put in charge. I would also add that Troi wasn't exactly my favorite character in TNG.


"TNG reduced the Klingons to drunken fools, not the dangerous force they were in TOS." Not sure how you came to this conclusion. Nothing screamed dangerous about the Klingons in TOS other than in the movies. They were just villains who were at war with the Federation. I recall them being willing fighters in plenty of TNG episodes and even in DS9. Sure they made them drinkers and added the whole honor bit in TNG and DS9, but the Klingons seemed to behave like warriors in all the series.

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Report this Jan. 05 2013, 9:14 pm

I thought the premise of the show was interesting. I think they should have done more episodes featuring the crew of Voyager and the Maquis creating a bond and some tension. They did have a couple of episodes showing this dynamic, but not nearly enough. I would have just liked to see more of a struggle to survive. I'm not expecting BSG type atmosphere, but something a little more. Heck the episode where Kes is traveling back in time from the future showed an interesting premise had they kept the "difficult" storylines in that "quantum reality". In that different reality they mentioned several things that beat the heck out of their ship in addition to the Krenum. I'm not saying that they should have killed off lead characters, but rather have the ship show signs of damage or mods on the ship. The ship just looked a little to clean for a crew who was stuck all by themselves. Perhaps this was unrealistic due to budget in the same way that the special effects weren't super for TNG.

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Report this Jan. 06 2013, 7:34 am


I agree with alot of what Servelan said.


And Honestly out of all the series I probley dislike TNG the most. Why you ask? Because almost all (Riker being the exception) the main people are wayyyyyyyyyy to stuffy. All the other series main people at least don't act like they need to be so stuffy.


TOS has to be my favorite other than DS9 since It actually made you think. Where the special effects kinda cheesy? Yeah but that just adds charm to the show.


I'll agree at first the Docter was disrespected but as time went on thru the series he wasn't disrespected as much.


And How Did Voyager manage to not have a Problem with Supplies? It's called making friends who have the capabilities to repair and resupply the ship. The only thing that can't be resupplied is the photon torpedos.


And on the Janway/Chakotay captain commander relationship. Every Caommader works differently with thire captain. Just because Chakotay agreed with everything Janeway said Dosn't mean he's being Lazy it just means He either agrees with his Captain or he knows she's not going to listen to him anyways so why try to stop her.


And If you haven't noticed All the CO's on the other Shows were MEN. Janeway was like a MOTHER to her crew so of course thire going to come to her for advice. And Captin Janeway as best as I can remember killed MILLIONS of aliens. And It was never at the expense of getting them homefaster. The whole series would've never happened if Janeway hadn't decided to destory the caretaker array instead of going home.


The EMH was not at first AIit was at first just a very very complicated medical hologram. Voyager's EMH is as far as I know the only one to gain setience.


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Report this Jan. 06 2013, 7:56 am

Everyone has the shows they like and prefer. I still enjoy watching Voyager. I just felt like griping a bit about the things I disliked about the series. I just seem to have a preference towards the characters of the first three series' moreso than Voyager. Eventually I'll get around to watching Enterprise. I may find that I like Voyager's characters more than that show. Heck, I probably would dislike half the characters in TNG if I never grew up watching the show. I don't think that Troi, Pulaski, Wesley, Yar, or Beverly were particularly amazing characters to be honest, though Beverly was the best of this group. Heck if one were to look at Worf for a good part of the series, he comes across as a bit of a goof in the first half of the series.


1 - I'd actually say that technobabble was probably equal between VOY and TNG. DS9 and TOS pretty much relied on Phasors and torpedoes a lot. I guess they wanted to alternate.


2 - I would agree that Guinan, Worf, and Wesley treated Data the best without teasing him. I'd even throw in Geordi as a good friend for him.


3 - I always disliked the fact that they were willing to let whole civilizations die. I did like how if someone requested help, they would help them. The problem with this was that the only people who could ask for help were the folks who had the ability of advanced space communication. I guess it sucks to be pre-flight/warp. I never liked the excuse they gave about the not interfering with the natural course of evolution as if we know what the natural course of evolution is. I've always thought that because humans are just another mammal, and therefor animals amongst others, that anything we do really is just another part of nature. No different than a bear or dog. A million years ago the reptiles dominated. It seems now it's the mammals turn. I'm sure after that it'll be the insects once some meteor hits, or we all kill each other over something stupid.


4 - I will agree that the Klingons as portrayed didn't seem to show a capability of building a cloaking device or warp for that matter. The funny thing was that the Duras family did seem to be the most intelligent/cunning Klingons portrayed in TNG. The Romulans I will have to say were portrayed in all shows as an intelligent group of people who seemed capable of designing all their stuff, and seemed like a group of people who were dangerous mentally as well as physically. I also feel that Cardassians were in the same boat with Romulans


5 - I don't necessarily fault Janeway or a lot of the Captains for breaking the PD alot. I think my biggest fault was how large of a degree in which Janeway would jump in her following it and then choosing to ignore it. There were a lot of times where in my opinion, Janeway made the right choice in breaking it. I very much doubt she would have been able to get her people home without it.


The one thing I noticed in the all four shows was that Janeway seemed to have the most loose command style. Kirk and Picard seemed to run with a rigid style, although Picard was a little more rigid as Kirk didn't seem to have a problem going for the ladies. Sisko seemed to be inbetween the others. I was pretty critical of some of the characters. If I could rank the characters in the shows:


VOY: The EMH, 7 of 9, Tuvok, Paris, Janeway, B'lanna, Neelix, Harry, Kes (Kes and Harry being significantly worse than the others.)


TNG: Data, Picard, Riker, Worf, Geordi, Beverly, Troi, Wesley, Pulaski


TOS: Spock, McCoy, Chekov, Kirk, Sulu, Scott, Uhura


DS9: Quark, Odo, Worf, Kira, Obrien, Bashir, Sisko, Ezri, Jadzia, Jake


DS9 and TOS had the best characters as a whole. I thought every character was good in both these shows. The ordering almost being interchangable for a lot of them. Both these shows featured the best banter between characters.


Worst 5 overall would be in order to the worst: Troi, Wesley, Pulaski, Harry, Kes

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Report this Jan. 06 2013, 8:15 am

Quote: Admiral James T. Kirk @ Jan. 06 2013, 7:34 am

>

>I agree with alot of what Servelan said.

>And Honestly out of all the series I probley dislike TNG the most. Why you ask? Because almost all (Riker being the exception) the main people are wayyyyyyyyyy to stuffy. All the other series main people at least don't act like they need to be so stuffy.

>TOS has to be my favorite other than DS9 since It actually made you think. Where the special effects kinda cheesy? Yeah but that just adds charm to the show.

>I'll agree at first the Docter was disrespected but as time went on thru the series he wasn't disrespected as much.

>And How Did Voyager manage to not have a Problem with Supplies? It's called making friends who have the capabilities to repair and resupply the ship. The only thing that can't be resupplied is the photon torpedos.

>And on the Janway/Chakotay captain commander relationship. Every Caommader works differently with thire captain. Just because Chakotay agreed with everything Janeway said Dosn't mean he's being Lazy it just means He either agrees with his Captain or he knows she's not going to listen to him anyways so why try to stop her.

>And If you haven't noticed All the CO's on the other Shows were MEN. Janeway was like a MOTHER to her crew so of course thire going to come to her for advice. And Captin Janeway as best as I can remember killed MILLIONS of aliens. And It was never at the expense of getting them homefaster. The whole series would've never happened if Janeway hadn't decided to destory the caretaker array instead of going home.

>The EMH was not at first AIit was at first just a very very complicated medical hologram. Voyager's EMH is as far as I know the only one to gain setience.

>


I will agree that the TNG crew were more uptight/professional when on duty. I was never a big fan of the Voyager style where you have ensigns and junior grades constantly taking jabs at and joking as much as they did with the Captain and Commander. As far as killing goes, there were episodes where she/the crew did fire upon and destroy ships that were demanding that Voyager leave their territory. Voyager chose not to for sake of travel time. For the EMH, I will agree that they definately started treating him better, but at times in the latter seasons they still seemed to pull the "You're a holgram and therefor your feelings/rights don't matter" bit. 


Trading for some supplies I can buy just a bit, but their ship looked completely spanking new. It just comes across as a little ridiculous that the Enterprise D needs to be in dry-dock for several weeks on a massive space station with the large crew of said space station to be refit, repaired and overhauled. Same is the case with the Defiant. Yet Voyager all alone can easily refit their ship with a very limited crew and just get all the supplies they want without any difficulty. In trades one usually has to give something up to get something. They showed there "difficulty/reserves" with supplies much better in the early season, but they seemed to drop this bit pretty much in the later seasons.

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Report this Jan. 06 2013, 10:59 am

Well some people get angry faster then others do...

tng klingons were idiotic..

voyager was just stupid who wouldn't go home and study the array or who wouldn't go home and destroy it, not for the ocampa but not to fall in potential enemy...


 

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Report this Jan. 06 2013, 1:49 pm

I liked Star Trek Voyager. The idea of a starship stranded in the Delta Quadrent was awsome. In order I would put the series:


1: ST:TOS


2: ST:VOY


3: ST:ENT


4: ST:TNG


5: ST: DS9


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Report this Feb. 03 2013, 11:23 pm

Certainly got shortchanged on the final epi.

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Report this Feb. 06 2013, 11:16 pm

I had a really difficult time with Voyager. Voyager was trying so hard to be TNG that they forgot the entire premise of their story. And yes, I wanted to choke Neelix everytime I saw him. Now, symbolically, I like the fact that there was a series with a woman as the Captain. Well done, although it would have been better done if there was a single interesting character on the show, or even if any character showed any growth throughout the entire seven year run. To me, Voyager is the cheap thrills series. Watch Seven battle the Rock in a grudge cage match! Watch Janeway and Paris devolve into salamanders and mate! Watch Torres get pissed off and break something, again. Enough with the cliches, try creating real tangible characters sometime. It was just a waste of talent. Sure, it is pretty much guaranteed that you will see some CG space battle in any episode of Voyager, but if that's all you're watching Trek for, I think you'd prefer Clone Wars.


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Report this Feb. 08 2013, 2:59 am

I really liked voyager. I liked the sense of isolation and the ragtag nature of the crew. I liked the fact that they became a family. Where ds9 had brought out the darker side of the final frontier, voyager clung to hope In the face of desperation.

it is like a finger pointing away to the moon...*smack* do not concentrate on the finger or you will miss all that heavenly glory.

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Report this Feb. 08 2013, 7:03 am

Voyager has the largest number of annoying/dorky characters out of any trek show by far. Ones like Tom Paris and Harry Kim are generic, and it seems like they were thought up very quickly.


I like Voyager a lot though, and it's roughly as good as Enterprise.


 

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Report this Feb. 08 2013, 10:38 am

Welcome Lannister. Nice to have you here.


This is my opinion/review of Star Trek Voyager as a whole compared to the other Star Trek Series's. Most of this will be criticisms of the show. I felt like writing this to describe the things that bothered me with this show. A good portion of this has most likely been written about before. The show is not in anyway terrible at all. I would give the show probably a 7.5/10, but it isn't nearly as good as DS9 and TNG. I tend to watch the shows in chronological order as to when they aired, so Voyager after I finish TNG season 7, DS9 with TNG season 6 and forward, and along side Voyager for it's last 5 seasons. Watching Voyager and DS9 may further amplify the things that annoyed me with the show. I will say that I enjoyed Voyager more than the Original Series mostly based on the fact that I think it had a lot more "good" episodes. This probably seems blasphemous but, from the Original Series, I only liked the episodes featuring Klingons, Romulans, Mudd, Khan, and that one alien that was killing people in the mine to protect it's eggs. The Original Series suffers from the 60's goffiness like the Batman series. Had they taken it more serious in approach to something like Bonanza, it may have worn a little better. I was born in the 80's so I grew up with TNG. I'm just not a fan of the 60's t.v. show style, but I do love the movies 2 through 6. I will say that if I had not grown up with TNG, that DS9 would be considered my favorite, but I consider them a tie. Their is something special about TNG to me, though I will admit that DS9 had the best writing and characters as a whole.


 


You rank Voyager at a 7.5. That’s a pretty strong rating for all the problems you profess the series has. Without going into Star Trek too much, I’ll say if you can’t get past the sets you are missing everything that series has to offer. Just remember even when they had money, they really didn’t have any money if you know what I mean. Shatner said their budget in the 60’s was equal to what it took to feed the new Star Trek casts. It’s about the stories, not the appearance.



Note: I've yet to watch Enterprise so my opinions will be with respect to all the shows prior to Enterprise.


I hope you enjoy it, I loved it.


The first big problem with this show is the characters. This show has the worst characters of all Star Trek shows. I can honestly say that that I only like Seven of Nine, The Doctor, and Tuvok out of the entire crew of Voyager. Pretty much every other character is either annoying, rude, or retarded. B'lana Torres is basically a 13 year old teenage snotty teen. "Rarr, who are you and what do you want? Rarr Rarr." Basically every encounter with any person or alien species results in her insulting them or making some nasty comment. Neelix just acts goofy and retarded for the last 5 seasons."Herp derp morale officer. Lets play Cotiscot and be friends!". Kes has to be the worst character ever. "Gee I'm so naive. Look how utterly uninteresting I am." Talk about a waste. Even the writers admit this. I will state that the rude part doesn't apply to Kes or Neelix. Harry Kim is downright lame. "Oh my god, I kissed a girl. If Janeway finds out she'll ground me, wahhh." I mean jesus, he makes Wesley Crusher seem like Maverick from Top Gun. Chekotay was pretty much just there. "Oh gee captain, I just agree with everything you say".  My fault with Janeway lies in how her character was so wishy-washy. Her personality never seemed consistent. Half the time she would act like Picard and then she would act like Kirk. She'd be willing to kill her entire crew and then the very next episode she wants to get them home and doesn't want to put anyone in danger. She'd be all about the prime directive and then completely disregard it. There are episodes where she'd encounter an alien species which tell her to get out of their territory in which she blatantly refuses, and/or destroys their ships in an ensuing fight, or disregards them because they don't impose a threat. Then the very next episode she is adamant about not violating the prime directive and taking the extra time to reach home. And then the next episode after this she'll smuggle people on her ship. I found it laughable how she was ridiculing Captain Ransom over their killing of a dozen aliens when she's done it so many times to shorten her journey.


If that’s how you see the characters, then that’s that. I will agree about B’Elanna early on as Roxanne was overacting horribly. But I think that’s something she overcame and I came to enjoy the Character. 7, the EMH, Tuvok were amongst the strongest characters for sure. I’d put Janeway up there and above them. She did push the Prime Directive many times, but as she stated she bent it, didn’t break it. Her actions were completely justified WRT Ramson. He was frying intelligent being for fuel and those beings were as a result attacking her crew. She had to defend her crew and stop Ransom, she did and at the ed even Ransom realized what he had done was wrong. Not “getting out of someone’s territory” is light-years different than cooking uncle alien. As far as smuggling, she was protecting people that were being wrongfully hunted down for nothing other than being telepathic. Can fault here there. Janeway didn’t have “help” out the in the Delta Quadrant and I for one liked that she didn’t need to call a board meeting to take a dump. She “had a pair”.


Another point: Pretty much every character with the exception of the three I mentioned treat the Doctor like garbage. I can't recall any episodes of TNG where the crew mates didn't treat Data like a human being. Yet in Voyager, the Doctor has to fight for the right not to be tampered with, etc. I really enjoyed the episode "Author, Author!" which played on this, and I found it hillarious how the crew acted like The Doctor was out of line. With the exception of the part where the holo-novel has Janeway killing a crew member, everything else was spot on and did happen. I also was annoyed with all the groveling towards Janeway. "Oh Janeway, you're so perfect. It's only because of you that I can function." Basically every character seems to come to her or rely on her advice and moral support for anything that they do. I will concede that some characters did rely on others half of the time, such as B'lana and Chekotay, and Harry and Tom, Seven and the Doctor. I don't remember every character in TNG or DS9 always coming to Picard or Sisko respectively for regular daily advice. I recall Geordi going to Guinan, Deanna confiding in Riker and Beverly. They just seemed to try their best to make Janeway perfect and always have the right answers over an over. "Oh Janeway, I can't believe I had the gumption to disagree with you!" Basically any fight or argument between her and a character would basically end up with Janeway being proven right. Case in point, and  disagreement between her and Chekotay.


Doc was a hologram. Voyager explored their rights just as TNG explored Data’s. I thought Tom turned out OK, but I’ll agree that Harry was, well just Harry. An Ensign after 7 years… They could have dumped him and kept Kes. Chakotey did on many occasions disagree and a couple times actually went against Janeway. Don’t know what else you want, a mutiny? I’ll at least give the writers credit for trying something different with Kes. I liked the character even though Jen’s acting at times made me cringe. They didn’t think the character through really, but I thought she added to the show and was sad to see her go. Especially when Harry stayed. I thought Neelix’ character improved after Kes left. I always felt he was robbing the cradle.



The next big problem I have is with the writing in the show. I won't deny that there were very good episodes in the series. The show seemed to suffer from crap just happening to cause drama. There were three common scenarios that happened which always got on my nerves.


Scenario 1: Wham! Tuvok: "Shields down to 85%". Wham! Tuvok: "Shields down to 70%". Janeway: "engage warp!". Wham! Kim: "Warp drive is offline". Tuvok: "Shields down to 55%". Janeway: "Fire photon Torpedoes!" Wham! "Tuvok: "Photon Torpedoes offline, shields down to 40%". So on and so forth till finally they conjure up the most ridiculous way to win.


Scenario 2: Wham! Tuvok: "Shields down to 85%". Janeway: "Hail them". Wham! Tuvok: "Shields down to 70%". Wham! Tuvok: "Shields down to 55%". Janeway: "Keep Hailing!" Wham! "Shields down to 40%". Wham! "Shields down to 25%". Janeway: "Okay, I guess fire phasors now that we're almost dead".


Scenario 3: Basically similar to the two above, but where Janeway just orders Tuvok to disable their weapons and/or whatever system they want. This is just stupid. I would understand it if they were fighting an inferior ship, which they did in some instances which is okay, but this would happen for 75% of their battles. I don't remember this happening very frequently in the other shows.


Yes, Voyager suffered from Technobabble just as TNG and DS9 did. Neutreno’s anyone?


They may as well just have made the plot be that Voyager is a deep space ship exploring the delta quadrant. They never seemed to have any issues with supplies and ship repairs in general across the series as a whole. They did mention supplies and energy in a couple episodes in the beginning of the series which was cool, but that went away rapidly. How the hell wasn't the ship falling apart or showing the signs of battle/time. It's not exactly as if they had any starbases around to repair their hull which is something that DS9 and TNG crews had access to and were mentioned doing. I also love the fact that the crew of Voyager are the smartest people in the galaxy. Oh gee we just invented trans-galactic communication. Oh gee we are in the middle of now where but we just redesigned the engines to be way better with no access to equipment and crews. Oh gee we just invented this amazing stellar cartography system on our own.


Well, 7 was borg you know. Not sure you can have a better reference onboard. They made the point of being short on supplies early, addressed it and moved on. I didn’t want to see a show based on forging for stuff.



The other part which bothered me a lot was with the Borg. The Unimatrix Zero stuff was just retarded. This just seemed to completely trash all the stuff the Doctor did. It always seemed to me like post-TNG, the writers ruined the borg. Going off of the show, they never cared about the loss of individual drones whatsoever. Now one drone dreams and the Queen is all about destroying ships full of them, yeah whatever. It's amazing how a whole fleet of ships can barely take out one borg ship without stustaining heavy damage and losses, yet Voyager can single-handedly go toe to toe with the borg and just escape easily whenever. Watching Best of Both Worlds and Q, Who, you'd think they were a totally different race compared to Voyager's interpretation. The Borg in Voyager appear to be incompetent along with the Queen. I will say that I'm not the biggest fan of the Queen concept as introduced in First Contact, but atleast she didn't come across as totally incompetent in that movie.


Many don’t like the Borg Queen concept, but Voyager didn’t invent it. Kind of hard to change it after TNG made it canon. Janeway learned to outsmart them. I guess she could have been stupid and just got blown up, but that wouldn’t have made for a show then would it? The Borg did evolve, but the biggest leap was in First Contact not Voyager. I didn’t like Unimatrix Zero, but I thought Dark Frontier was one of Star Trek’s best episodes.



I absolutely loved the Hirogen up until they decided to make them retarded. Their first couple of introductory episodes actually showed them as menacing and then they turned into sissies who fall for obvious traps. The episode with the holgrams come to mind where they fall for the silliest traps ever. I'm sorry but any species that have been relying on hunting for 1000's of years and shown the competency that they showed in hunting species 8472 (cunning and dangerous) wouldn't fall for some rigged decoy ship. Especially given that their sensors were said to be far better than Voyagers, but conveniently they act retarded and  Janeway once again saves the day! Don't get me started on the Kazon who were completely lame. Basically remove all the interesting parts of Klingon culture and you have the Kazon. The Vidians I actually liked. They actually did make these guys threatening. Hats off to the writers for this race.
The other area where Voyager falls short is on the secondary characters. The most interesting secondary characters that they came up with is Seska, Cullah, Borg Queen, the Wildmans, and Carey. Seska seems to be unanimously considered the most interesting character who was created in this series, and compared to the main secondary characters in DS9 and TNG, she is lame. "Har I'm bad and I'm deceiving you! Har I took your bodily fluids!"


I loved Seska. Great character very well played by Martha. But don’t blame Voyager for Star Trek’s habbit of neutering the bad guys. The Hirogen were awesome at first, as was Species 8472. But got casterated in grand trek fashion though. I hated the Kazon from the start. Just how big was their space? Voyager had many interesting secondard characters – Suder immediately comes to mind. I actually enjoyed Barkley as well.



I honestly think that if the show had better writing to the level of DS9 and Janeway's character was less Janeway like, I'd like the show a lot more. The writing just doesn't seem as intelligent as DS9 or TNG. Perhaps they just ran out of ideas or something I spent around $370 for the series on DVD, however, I don't know if I really would be willing to spend the same amount for the blu rays atleast at this time. I would if they have some sort of special holiday discount for a good price. DS9 and TNG are definate day one buys for me. I always felt that the shows to me could be grouped for different sets of people as follows: Voyager tends to have a liberal leaning, whereas TNG seemed to be balanced around the center, and DS9 tends to be conservative leaning.


TNG was “center”????? HA, OK.


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