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Star Trek: The motion Picture = The Borg?

Epsilon1701

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Report this Jan. 08 2013, 8:56 am

Definitely no link there. Though ironically this topic is somewhat the reason I logged in today. Was just thinking how cool a movie Borg: origins could possibly be. It wouldn't have star trek/federation references to it at all or any of the stigma that Unfortunately follows us around these days. Just a wonderfully good story about a scientist that either went to far or was a phycopath. It would Be full of plot, explosions, and wouldn't have a happy ending like every movie does but sometimes it's nice to be surprised like that... Not that any of us would be surprised.

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Report this Feb. 11 2013, 6:29 am

Quote: WkdYngMan @ Jan. 07 2013, 1:42 am

Quote: akebono62 @ Jan. 06 2013, 10:51 am

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>Didn't one of Shatner's Trek novels posit that theory? Of course, maybe the Borg and V'ger crossed paths and the Borg could not assimilate V'ger.

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I think "The Return" did.


You are correct, Shatners' "The Return" was based totally on the fact that V'ger did wind up making contact with the Borg ..homeworld in fact.     It's a fantastic concept and brought the TNG and TOS together quite well. Why Berman did not use this story baffles me.


Shatner made the whole concept work quite. Well enough to actually get me intersted in reading a Trek novel.!

guillermo.mejía

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Report this Feb. 11 2013, 12:10 pm

The one element that (for me) makes it so V'Ger does [b]not[/b] have anything to do with the Borg is that Spock states that when the sentient machines found the Voyager probe, they considered it one of their own, repaired it, and gave it a huge ship to complete its mission.


- Were that the Borg planet, they would already know Earth's location (which I believe they do not know at first in TNG)


- Borg and half machine, half organic...I don't think he Borg would concder a primitive machine like that an ancestor.


- Reparing V'Ger and giving it a ship like taht is too benevolant for the Borg. And considering the size, it is also a waste of resources, which the Borg do not believe in.

leroybrock

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Report this Feb. 11 2013, 8:15 pm

I believe that making the Borg and V'ger related is a terrible idea. Why don't we just let the galaxy be a huge place with a little mystery?

I Am Ultra Narcissus.

2takesfrakes

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Report this Mar. 07 2013, 2:13 pm

I'm in complete agreement with leroybrock
and guillermo.mejía nailed it, when he noted
that V'GER's raison d'être has nothing at all
to do with what the BORG are all about. It does
seem, though, that people are looking for some
kind of closure with what happened to V'ger ...
perhaps, discontented with TMP's open ending.


I thought TMP had the BEST ending of ALL the movies!


Kornula

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Report this Mar. 10 2013, 12:22 am

Good point

Sehlat123

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Report this Mar. 10 2013, 10:59 am

Quote: 2takesfrakes @ Mar. 07 2013, 2:13 pm

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>I thought TMP had the BEST ending of ALL the movies!

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Yeah, I was so glad to see that Decker guy fizzle away. What a jerk!


"Borg. Sounds Swedish."

2takesfrakes

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Report this Mar. 10 2013, 5:04 pm

 Oh? Oh, REALLY ... ??? You know ...


I'm told a rolled up newspaper provides
a very effective means of discipline ...
for a fat sehlat!!!


pollard/st

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Report this Mar. 15 2013, 3:23 pm

no, in voyeger it clearly says that the borg have been in existance for ore than 900 years, long before the probe voyeger was launched.


 there are many different theories out there, and i would advise reaserching them, they can be realy interesting, but few have much, if any cannon evidence.

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Report this Mar. 15 2013, 9:49 pm

I don't think V'Ger was responsible for the Borg but I do think the Borg sent V'Ger back to compete it's programming (as far as the Borg were concerned carbon-based life forms were not true life forms.) I don't think Humanity even occured to the Borg until TMP (the Borg might not even had their human components until after Decker and Ilia joined (and isn't it interesting we never see another Deltan after that 1st movie?

leroybrock

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Report this Mar. 15 2013, 10:07 pm

"I don't think V'Ger was responsible for the Borg but I do think the Borg sent V'Ger back to compete it's programming (as far as the Borg were concerned carbon-based life forms were not true life forms.) I don't think Humanity even occured to the Borg until TMP (the Borg might not even had their human components until after Decker and Ilia joined (and isn't it interesting we never see another Deltan after that 1st movie?"

That's funny, I don't recall eating a handful of shrooms...

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Report this Mar. 16 2013, 11:55 am





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Report this Jan. 05 2013, 12:57 pm



oh come on.  Star Trek is riddled with time travel.  V'ger could have gone through some wormhole or whipped around some sun and gone back in time.







I couldn't get the quote button to work, so I copied the post I'd like to reply to.  Wasn't the above post the official reasoning for why the Borg appeared in Enterprise Series Regeneration?

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