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Should we give up on the Constitution?

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Lone Palm

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Report this Jan. 30 2013, 7:17 pm

A true moneyless society is the exact opposite of flawed. Many moneyless societies had people simply scavenging what they needed for themselves.


Scavenging is the key word, and it describes a primitive society with little to no specialization of labor. 


What's the point of working for someone else when your reward is less than a literal walk in the park? Does THAT make sense to you?


Not really. Can you elaborate? 

Lone Palm

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Report this Jan. 30 2013, 7:24 pm

The article cited by darmokattanagra is badly written as it inaccurately associates Glenn Beck's experiment with Libetarianism. Libertarianism is based on the philosophy of volunteerism and opposes first-strike force. Thus, a Libertarian Society would not demand or force citizens to be armed, but leave the decision to arm oneself to each individual. 

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Report this Jan. 30 2013, 8:03 pm

"What's the point in working at all when you aren't rewarded for it? Does it make sense to you?"


Yes, it does make sense to me. Time was people worked to live, literally. You grew crops so you could eat. You raised animls so you could eat. You built your own shelter and so forth. So you were a better farmer than Bob, but Bob was a better dairyman than you. You traded some of your produce for some of his milk and cheese. And Tom was a better carpenter than either of you, so again you traded.


In a very real sense, monetary systems make less sense. To trade a bushel of wheat for 2 gals. of milk and a round of cheese is trading one useful item for another. To a peasent in the first century, that was of more value than an arbitrary monetary value.


CORPORATIONS AREN'T PEOPLE! Soylent Green is people.

darmokattanagra

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Report this Jan. 30 2013, 9:07 pm

The article cited by darmokattanagra is badly written...

You expect more from the Washington Times?

...as it inaccurately associates Glenn Beck's experiment with Libetarianism.

No, Glenn Beck inaccurately associates Glenn Beck's experiment with Libertariansim.

Libertarianism is based on the philosophy of volunteerism and opposes first-strike force. Thus, a Libertarian Society would not demand or force citizens to be armed, but leave the decision to arm oneself to each individual.

But no problems with the feudalist castle and the "No Liberals Allowed" sign on the front gate, right?

Lone Palm

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Report this Jan. 30 2013, 9:22 pm

You expect more from the Washington Times?


No. Glad to see we can agree on something.


No, Glenn Beck inaccurately associates Glenn Beck's experiment with Libertariansim.


I don't know or watch Glenn Beck to know if this is true, but the article certainly doesn't do its part to differentiate the two. I would assume if the author had jounalistic integrity then said author would make note of this key fallacy. 


But no problems with the feudalist castle and the "No Liberals Allowed" sign on the front gate, right?


Not quite sure what your point is. But if a property owner wanted to erect a feudalist castle and place a "No Liberals Allowed" sign on his front gate, he would certainly have the right, as it is his property. But do not confuse the acknowledgement of an individual's right to act in certain ways as an endorsement of those actions.



Lone Palm

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Report this Jan. 30 2013, 10:51 pm

Instead of forfeiting the Constitution, let's forfeit the notion of taxation (legalized theft). 

darmokattanagra

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Report this Jan. 31 2013, 12:30 am

Instead of forfeiting the Constitution, let's forfeit the notion of taxation (legalized theft).


See my post in the other thread.


I don't know or watch Glenn Beck...


Riiiiight.

Lone Palm

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Report this Jan. 31 2013, 6:31 am

Riiiiight.


No wonder you think conservatives are extreme. You spell right with 5 "i"s. (Just returning the sarcasm).

FleetAdmiral_BamBam

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Report this Jan. 31 2013, 8:28 am

Quote: Kiwiman @ Jan. 30 2013, 6:56 pm

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>I can't see how American people can not leave guns to the police and government people. I would like them to name another country in the world that the people are allowed to run around carrying machine guns appart from some of the Middle East and some parts of africa, parts of the world most peolple call uncivalised and would not want to go there with out a guard.

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And those that have studied history can't see how anyone would want to disarm the citizens... unless the goal is tyranny.  (Note: Sadly, only specifically licensed people can have machine guns due to the awful laws in this country.)


We individuals are guaranteed by the Constitution the right to self-defense. This right is not the Government’s to award us. They have never been granted it - but should be protecting it.


The idea that the average, responsible citizen should not be armed means that there is never a threat from someone else trying to harm you - whether that be the government or a criminal.  Disarmament rests on the assumption that all people are good, and, basically, want the same things.  Since that will never happen, it's only prudent to be responsible and be armed.

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Report this Jan. 31 2013, 8:36 am

Quote: Lone Palm @ Jan. 30 2013, 10:51 pm

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>Instead of forfeiting the Constitution, let's forfeit the notion of taxation (legalized theft). 

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Exactly. very few people have a problem with taxation to pay for Constitutional government.... but all the taxes to pay for anti-Constitutional government is the problem.


Sadly... nowadays.... so many people say that high taxation is okay.... as long as someone else is being taxed.  Citizens have responsibilities.... but too many people no longer understand what citizenship actually is.

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