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Enterprise-D vs Voyager

D. Cottingham

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Report this Dec. 30 2012, 11:54 am

Would the Enterprise-D and her crew have faired better in the Delta Quadrant than Voyager.

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Report this Dec. 30 2012, 2:15 pm

So for the first time I get to post first?


What I would say is that the Enterprise-D was by far larger than Voyager , it would be more of an imposeing ship plus three times the crew members.


Yes , she would have faired better than the good ship Voyger  

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Report this Dec. 30 2012, 3:26 pm

The Enterprise-D might have been bigger and tougher, but Voyager was quick and smart. I think the former would have had more trouble.


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Report this Dec. 30 2012, 4:46 pm

based on ship size and arsenal theEnterprise however voyager's captain, Janeway, to me would have done better than Picard because she was not affraid to bend the rules at a moment's notice. Picard on the other hand though I love him dearly would not have bee able to deal with not havin back up to call.


 


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Report this Dec. 30 2012, 5:02 pm

I think The Enterprise would have fared much worse thn voyage did. First thire size is sompthing that works against them. Then you have the fact that Picard always seems ready to blow his own ship up and that probley what Picard wouldv'e done in the end. I think The Original Enterprise Under captain Kirk could have done it though

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Report this Dec. 30 2012, 5:14 pm

I agree that the size of the Enterprise is more of a hinderance than an advantage, however this isn't just about comparing the specs of Voyager and Enterprise and comparing their captains. We must also take into consideration which ship had the better command staff. And when it comes to specs, Enterprise did have superior firepower to Voyager which would have been crucial against the Kazon, Vidians, and the other hostile races.

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Report this Dec. 30 2012, 5:43 pm

It's obvious that the Enterprise-D would have done far better.


 


1. As a ship, she had far greater resources than the Voyager. Enterprise has an entire medical staff, far more specialists, a more experienced crew (no Maquis, they were all top-rate Starfleet officers) greater armaments, etc. 


2.  You can't underestimate the value that separating the star drive section could have provided in the Delta Quadrant. People can say Voyager was "quicker" and whatnot, but the Enterprise's battle section was stout, powerful and very fast. 


3. Also, I think having Mr Data in that situation would have proved invaluable. Voyager also had no Ships Counellor! Which I believe would have come in handy and been a distinct advantage, particularly given Deanna Troi's telepathic abilities. 


 


Voyager was designed and written SPECIFICALLY to be inferior to the ship and crew of TNG so the situation would be more challenging and desperate. 


 


Evidence is heavily in favor of the Enterprise-D. 

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Report this Dec. 30 2012, 5:49 pm

Agreed. The Enterprise also had far more auxillary craft as well.

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Report this Dec. 31 2012, 8:11 am

Alright but Voyager never seemed to be lacking Auxillary craft..... Still Voyager was much more agile and faster than a Galaxy class could ever be.


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Report this Dec. 31 2012, 8:53 am

Quote: Admiral James T. Kirk @ Dec. 31 2012, 8:11 am

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>Alright but Voyager never seemed to be lacking Auxillary craft..... Still Voyager was much more agile and faster than a Galaxy class could ever be.

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Agile and fast are just two attributes, and not particularly critical ones. The Galaxy-class Enterprise-D wins this scenario in every other category. And, again, you're not taking into account the Enterprise's ability to seperate.


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Admiral James T. Kirk

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Report this Dec. 31 2012, 9:29 am

What other catagories are there? And Being more agile and speedy in a fight against an enemy seems pretty darn importent to me. If you arn't running circles around the enemy chances are your going to take alot more damage than a agile and speedy ship. so in that way speed and agility seems pretty importent to me.

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Report this Dec. 31 2012, 9:36 am

And what Good does a spereated ship do you when only half the ship can go to warp? Even in a fight the saucer it pretty useless. The Suacer was supposed to feel at sublight while the enginerreing section stayed behind to hopefully allow the sacuser to get away safely. So The Importence of the sascer seems greatly exgaggerated to me. If anything seperating the ship would be a bad idea if you ask me. Instead of defending your ship as a whole you have to defend the battle drive and the sauscer as two seperate parts. 

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Report this Dec. 31 2012, 11:30 am

Though the Enterprise -D is no doubt less manuverable than Voyager, it has far greater firepower. The Enterprise has a far larger complement of photon torpedoes as well as more phaser arrays. There are several episodes where Captain Janeway seems somewhat hesitant to fire torpedoes because they are in such short supply. Captain Picard and the Enterprise wouldn't have that problem.

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Report this Dec. 31 2012, 12:45 pm

Quote: Admiral James T. Kirk @ Dec. 31 2012, 9:29 am

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>What other catagories are there? And Being more agile and speedy in a fight against an enemy seems pretty darn importent to me. If you arn't running circles around the enemy chances are your going to take alot more damage than a agile and speedy ship. so in that way speed and agility seems pretty importent to me.

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Well, again, I think this is a fun speculative argument...but if you're really looking at this objectively, there's really no contest.


The "other attributes" are all those I already mentioned with regard to Galaxy-class Enterprise D:


-Superior Superstructure


-Superior Armaments


-Larger, more diverse crew compliment (science specialists, engineers, technicians, huge medical staff, large security compliment, etc)


-Greater Facilities (labs, etc) and on-board resources (support craft- including runabouts, sheer power, stores, etc)


-Far more experienced and tested senior staff


Besides, the Galaxy-class starship mission profile was for extended long-range missions lasting 12-15 years, which is why family was included aboard.


So, even if the Intrepid-class is more "agile and quick," that doesn't really make up for all these other elements where the Enterprise-D would be superior. 


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Report this Dec. 31 2012, 2:47 pm

Quote: Admiral James T. Kirk @ Dec. 31 2012, 9:36 am

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>And what Good does a spereated ship do you when only half the ship can go to warp? Even in a fight the saucer it pretty useless. The Suacer was supposed to feel at sublight while the enginerreing section stayed behind to hopefully allow the sacuser to get away safely. So The Importence of the sascer seems greatly exgaggerated to me. If anything seperating the ship would be a bad idea if you ask me. Instead of defending your ship as a whole you have to defend the battle drive and the sauscer as two seperate parts. 

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You're arguing as though the only time you would seperate the saucer is if you got attacked in a surprise situation. What about seperating and using the battle section to perform missions and achieve certain objectives? How many times did Voyager get "sneak attacked" vs. needing to accomplish a strategic objective?


If the Enterprise has a situation where they need to go on a mission or achieve an objective- you could easily seperate the saucer, hide it in a safe harbor, and use the battle section to go into the thick of things.


I think it's incorrect to take such a narrow view as you have here, and assume the only time you'd use the seperation sequence would be if you were openly and unexpectedly attacked. Ultimately, there's a reason the ship was designed to seperate. To quote Worf from Heart of Glory... "When relieved of it's bulk, the Enterprise becomes a formidable weapon." Head-to-head, in combat, the stardrive secton of the Enterprise would easily defeat an Intrepid-class starship.


Again, this isn't fanwank...the show was WRITTEN this way. The USS Voyager was designed to be smaller and more vulnerable to increase the "challenge" and drama of being lost in the Delta Quadrant.


It's really not even an argument. The Enterprise-D is a superior starship and Picard's command crew is superior to Janeway's. I'm not sure how it's even a debate.


 


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