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Captain Kirk vs Captain Picard vs Captain Janeway vs Captain Archer

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willowtree

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Report this Jun. 13 2013, 5:29 am

Quote: chator56 @ Jun. 12 2013, 7:45 pm

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>Janeway was the worst! She destroys the Array, the only way to get her crew back home! Then spends the next few years lost in the Delta Quadrant! That speaks bad captain! She allows the Kazon to steal her ship and abadon her and her crew on an inhospitable planet! She saves the Borg from extermination! And later ends up getting assimilated by the Borg! Come'on! No way she's the best!  She's got to be the worst Captain in Starfleet, ever! It's a miracle her crew got back home!

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She destroyed the array to save the Ocampans. I'm sure Picard would have done the same thing. Simply using the array to get home would have made her a bad captain, we've seen many times in Trek that starfleet officers often put helping others ahead of thselves. And she doesn't "allow" the Kazon to steal her ship, they overpower the crew with knowledge they had about the ship and crew from a former crewmember. She saves the borg from extermination in Scorpion because she saw 8472 as a bigger threat, not knowing that the Borg were the ones who started their war. As far as being assimilated, well she was willingly assimilated and had a device that let her keep her individuality...unline PICARD who was truly assimilated.


the fact that she got her ship and crew home after only 7 years speaks to her bein a great captain

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Report this Jun. 13 2013, 9:52 am

Why are the Ocampans more important than her crew? The Borg vs. Species 8472 wasn't Janeway's fight to intervene into. Janeway refuses the Borg Queen's offer of passage thru the transwarp conduit, in order to allow assimilated Borg a place to hang out (unimatrix 0) while they sleep? How is separating Tuvix morally defensible? I find some of Janeway's most important decisions highly questionable, from a moral, ethical, or just plain survival standpoint. Watching the series I often found myself in disagreement with Janeway's actions, moreso than with any other captain. Still, I found the series entertaining and liked it alot better than DS9. 

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Report this Jun. 13 2013, 10:41 am

Can't beat Captain Picard! He will always be my all time favorite.

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Report this Jun. 13 2013, 11:08 am

Quote: chator56 @ Jun. 13 2013, 9:52 am

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>Why are the Ocampans more important than her crew? The Borg vs. Species 8472 wasn't Janeway's fight to intervene into. Janeway refuses the Borg Queen's offer of passage thru the transwarp conduit, in order to allow assimilated Borg a place to hang out (unimatrix 0) while they sleep? How is separating Tuvix morally defensible? I find some of Janeway's most important decisions highly questionable, from a moral, ethical, or just plain survival standpoint. Watching the series I often found myself in disagreement with Janeway's actions, moreso than with any other captain. Still, I found the series entertaining and liked it alot better than DS9. 

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They are important because that's the way Starfleet works. Watch TNG, they're always going out of their way to help ohers.


Janeway wasn't trying to intervene in the fight, she just wanted safe passage through borg space. She got convinced to help them once she saw what they were up against.


The queen never offered Janeway passage through the hub. You're confusing Unimatrix Zero with Endgame. Janeway was the one who gave the order to destroy Unimatrix Zero.


the only thing that was questionable was he Tuvix thing. Everything else was justified

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Report this Jun. 13 2013, 11:22 am

Quote: chator56 @ Jun. 13 2013, 9:52 am

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>The Borg vs. Species 8472 wasn't Janeway's fight to intervene into.

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If she hadn't interfered, Species 8472 would have destroyed all life in the galaxy. So by helping the Borg drive them out, she saved her ship, her crew, and the whole Federation.


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Report this Jun. 16 2013, 10:07 am

As I mentioned in a previous  post, I think Picard and Kirk were tied because they were both great leaders fro their time period.  Kirk would not have done well on the Enterprise D and vice versa.  Kirk, to me, was more approachable, though. Kirk hung out on the rec deck, worked out with the crew and ate in the cafeteria with them. Picard was more aloof.  I'm not in the military but as someone who has worked for large corporations, I've always found that an aloof CEO is less relatable.  I once encouraged my boss, who was VP of Operations,  to get out onto the floor more.  She was very nice and personable, but a hard worker and frequently locked away in her office.  That's one thing I liked about Archer is that he had that rotating breakfast going with his crew. It's much easier to put yourself on the line for someone like that and push yourself.


So I'd rate them as Kirk, Picard, Sisko, Archer and Janeway.  I never liked Janeway.

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Report this Jun. 18 2013, 10:57 am

Do space station captains count? I noticed that this poll omits Sisko.

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Report this Jun. 18 2013, 3:41 pm

I think Sisko counts. He was captain of the Defiant AND DS9.  IMO his command has just as many responsibilites as the others, if not more, since he was protecting a planet and the first line of defense against the Dominion.  He's on my list.

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Report this Jun. 18 2013, 4:36 pm

As far as the Kirk/Picard comparison goes. Picard was conceived as a more evolved Captain than Kirk. Kirk was created as a Captain with flaws. Picard is a more evolved version. Basically, Kirk without the flaws. Whether or not Picard is in the opinion of some better than Kirk, he was designed to be better. William T. Riker is basically a subdued Captain Kirk, his gambling limited to his weekly game of poker. Roddenberry placed him second in command implying that he felt Picard was a stronger Captain.

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Report this Jun. 18 2013, 7:01 pm

I love them all! But Janeway is my favorite.

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Report this Jun. 23 2013, 2:01 pm

Janeway all the way. No explaination needed.

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Report this Jun. 27 2013, 11:38 am

Sisko is actually my favorite, but since he isn't invited to this party, Janeway is my second fave. She kicks a** and kept her ship and her crew going for years in a hostile environment.


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