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Star Trek Fiction? Or Future history?

Sora

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Report this Dec. 24 2012, 9:46 pm

As a Star Trek fan, do you view Star Trek as just a television series, a fictional fantasy story?


Or do you see it as a type of future history?


And by that, I don't mean actually believing that the series is non-fiction and that the charaters are real, but by that I mean, the technologies and our ability to travel through space, and as a species moving to a more intelligent point than where we currently are?


Speaking for myself, I really do see Star Trek happening one day. I see us eventually developing all of the Star Trek technology, and what's even more awesome to me, is that because of Star Trek fans, and our love for this great masterpiece, when we do get to that point, the fans will probably name whatever organization we create someday and call it Starfleet, and if and when we do develop a real working starship, I've no doubt it will be called The Enterprise. Now I honestly don't know if we'll encounter other species or not, but I know that the writers in Star Trek tried to be as realistic as possible with the technology and space travel, which is why I believe we may someday gain that knowledge and technology. Whereas for example, and I promise I'm not trying to bash, but I don't see the Star Wars universe ever being recreated, and I apologize to any Star Wars fans who may be here, there's nothing wrong with Star Wars, and it's a great franchise too, but unlike Trek, Star Wars never really tried to be realistic about anything, Star Wars basically wanted to be an exciting shoot em up in space adventure. So everything in it is straight up fantasy.


And Star Trek was extremely well designed to be a true portrayal of our future.


 


And what does Star Trek mean to you as a whole? What does this series ultimately mean to you as a fan?


For me it means a great deal. 


One of the great things about Star Trek is just how diverse it is and draws in so many different people.


I know Star Trek draws in many races and many people of many religions. I've seen Star Trek bring in atheists and Christians and many more.


I personally am a devout Christian, and I fully believe that the bible is truth and that in Christ we have been redeemed. That being said I don't care much for Trek's love of evolution. However, I can still respect it for a couple of reasons, 1. this is a sci-fi series, thus evolution being more of a strictly scientific thing makes more sense than a faith for a sci-fi series. 2. I appreciate that Trek creates fictional religions, but leaves real religions alone, it doesn't tell you what you should believe in or not. But what I do love is the morality of Star Trek. And much of the morality in Trek goes hand in hand with the bible, that being said, Star Trek means great deal to me because I began watching Trek when I was very young, about 9 years old, and around the same time is when I really began exploring my religion, and I've always felt like God gave Star Trek to me as a gift. Something that I love, that He has used to guide me and mold me into the adult I was supposed to be. Now of course, God's written law comes first, anything Trek may contradict is going out the window, but because of my love for it, I was able to feel God's presence in many of the moral episodes, this is the way to be or not to be.


This is my story, and part of why I love Star Trek very much and why it will always be a part of life.


I really would love to read some stories from other fans.


Please share!

OtakuJo

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Report this Dec. 25 2012, 12:11 am

Historical Documents


Have you ever danced with a Tribble in the pale moonlight?

dreem24

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Report this Dec. 25 2012, 3:58 am

A pile of crap!


 


That's what star trek is...


 


 

Mitchz95

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Report this Dec. 25 2012, 9:39 am

Quote: dreem24 @ Dec. 25 2012, 3:58 am

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>A pile of crap!

>That's what star trek is...

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And yet you created an account here. So what does that say about you?


 


I agree with the OP. Racism, sexism, and discrimination in general are more frowned upon now than ever before. And with all the new methods of communication in the world, I think it's just a matter of time before humanity makes a stand against the evil in the world.


Call it wishful thinking, but that's what I believe. And I'll fight to the death for a future like that.


"The future is in the hands of those who explore... And from all the beauty they discover while crossing perpetually receding frontiers, they develop for nature and for humankind an infinite love." - Jacques Yves Cousteau

flottanna

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Report this Dec. 25 2012, 1:59 pm

Hopefully history but knowing this world it will never happen.


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Mitchz95

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Report this Dec. 25 2012, 7:14 pm

Quote: flottanna @ Dec. 25 2012, 1:59 pm

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>Hopefully history but knowing this world it will never happen.

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Things are only impossible until they're not.


If enough people want a better future, it's very possible it will end up happening.


"The future is in the hands of those who explore... And from all the beauty they discover while crossing perpetually receding frontiers, they develop for nature and for humankind an infinite love." - Jacques Yves Cousteau

OtakuJo

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Report this Dec. 25 2012, 11:41 pm

Enough people always want a better future -- they just don't have the foggiest idea about how to bring it about.


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Sora

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Report this Dec. 26 2012, 1:48 pm

Well too many people want that perfect future, but they aren't willing to do what it takes to help bring it about. They don't want to work any harder for it, and they often only want what will benefit them personally, rather than something that will benefit everyone. That's the biggest problem we face right now. Well that and the fact that if you live in the U.S. as I do, you have that problem of most of the world hating your guts and wanting you wiped out for really no good reason. Just because lol

miklamar

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Report this Dec. 28 2012, 8:28 am

It would be nice to live in the Federation--after the Borg had left!--but I do not believe our future history will unfold so kindly, at least not in the near future.  We have to get past people's greed, selfishness and egos.


We have already developed some of the Star Trek technology, but changing people's minds is an entirely different matter.


And, the one thing I don't like about Star Trek is the Federation's insistence that a planet only have one form of government.  Of course, it simplifies things, but I prefer choices and variety and freedom.


Maybe, someday, we will have everything good come together for all of us.


Var Miklama--Zakdorn, engineer. "A sound mind in a FULL body!" "Time, like latinum, is a limited quantity in the galaxy."

Lone Palm

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Report this Dec. 28 2012, 9:18 am

Well too many people want that perfect future, but they aren't willing to do what it takes to help bring it about. They don't want to work any harder for it, and they often only want what will benefit them personally, rather than something that will benefit everyone. That's the biggest problem we face right now. Well that and the fact that if you live in the U.S. as I do, you have that problem of most of the world hating your guts and wanting you wiped out for really no good reason. Just because lol


Sora, a desire to benefit oneself is actually good. Picard stated that the economics of the future are based on the premise of working to better oneself and the rest of humanity. In a Libertarian and Capitalist Society, where interactions are voluntary, an individual can provide for oneself only by catering to the wants of others. If an individual wants to be a millionaire or even a billionaire, then the individual has to best his competitors not only in terms of service to his customers, but to his employees as well. Employees compete for jobs, and if a job isn't desirable, potential workers will leave or refuse the job. Also, in a Libertarian/Capitalist Society, an individual cannot employ government to fashion laws and regulations that put his competitors out of business. 


Unfortunately and contrary to the rhetoric, the United States aren't Capitalist Societies, as individuals and government readily break the non-aggression principle to force involuntary associations both domestically and abroad. For example, we have over 700 military bases in 150 different countries. That's an Empire. How would we feel if China had mliitary bases on American soil? The average individual wouldn't see the Chinese as friends, but as a foreign aggressor.


I'm attracted to Star Trek, because of the Prime Directive and it's recognition of long-term consequences for all groups. Particularly, I love how the Prime Directive applies to individuals, groups, and most especially government. Unfortunately, in the modern world, governments tend to exempt themselves from their own laws, which permits them unlimited growth over time.

Sora

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Report this Dec. 28 2012, 10:45 pm

Well I mean I definitely agree that America is currently not what it's supposed to be. I also agree that unless another country asks us to come and help them, we have no business interferring in their affairs, however the same applies to them. I don't like how other countries have their noses in our news and in our elections and what not. I think everyone needs to mind their own business and respect eachother's privacy within reason.


I'm attracted to Starfleet and the Federation because I feel like in many ways the Federation which also has a constitution, is in many ways more right-winged than what many people would like to admit, and it's essentially the United States done correctly.

OtakuJo

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Report this Dec. 28 2012, 11:32 pm

Since you bring it up, it's rather hard to stay out of US politics, especially with the internet. The volume of responses that people get to comments about Obama as opposed to, say, John Key (wanker!) is ... well, a planet to an atom, really. Besides which if the American prez is going to market himself as "leader of the free world" (there's a problematic phrase if ever I've heard one, but anyway) that means that his actions have worldwide repurcussions, so of course people of the world are going to take an interest in events which do ultimately affect them.


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cardassian_officer

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Report this Dec. 29 2012, 1:31 am

IDK,it is diffiuclt question for me. Impossible sight what will be in the future.

Maybe will be as in the Star Trek or will be as in the Fallout .nobody don't know what will be in the future.

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Report this Dec. 29 2012, 8:22 am

I think people over-cook Star Trek's "deep meanings" sometimes. Star Trek had one core message that later became twisted into utopian crapola because Gene felt he needed to live up to being the "visionary" that people were referring to him as. Trek's ultimate original message was about tolerance and diversity. It wasn't about perfecting humanity and homogenizing it. It was about recognizing, not eliminating, human frailties and overcoming them in the face of great challenge. this,yo, me is far more interesting. It's recognizing and struggling against our inherent flaws with the intent to "do right". 


 


I love Star Trek because it is fun, entertaining, and smart. It's a cool universe I'd love to live in some day. But, I certainly don't dedicate my life or system of values to "becoming" Star Trek. Star trek is wonderful, and sometimes inspiring fiction. The best Trek stories for me are the ones that showcase our flaws and our struggles to overcome them OR the small stories about friendship and sacrifice. And, of course, the action and adventure! But, I've never been one to squee over the philosophy of Star Trek. Sorry. 

Lone Palm

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Report this Dec. 29 2012, 9:38 am

Sora, I'm of the belief that the U.S. shouldn't interfere in another country's affairs even if asked. If a single indivdual on either side opposes intervention, then the general welfare is being violated on the basis of forced association. For example, the U.S. is a member of the United Nations, which I oppose. And yet my tax dollars go to fund it. So I'm being placed in a position of forced association and involuntary servitude, supposedly outlawed by the 13th Amendment. The reverse of that, other countries staying out of our business, I totally concur.


Unfortunately, our involvement with the U.N. insures mutual intervention. The 17th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution represents microcosm U.N. involvement. Prior to the 17th Amendment, Senators were elected by their State's Legislatures, but the 17th Amendment permitted Senators to be elected by popular vote and subsequently receive campaign funds from outside their State, a condition not previously allowed for it would be a foreign donation. The Senator is now beholden to two competing groups, a foreign party and a domestic party. This is a clear violation of the Senator's job as his job demands domestic representation. The same applies to the U.S. government, which is representative of its citizens, not the aims of the U.N.


OtakuJo, Obama has joined the list of Imperial Presidents that date back to Lincoln, the rare exception being Grover Cleveland, who was arguably the last Federal President by Constitutional standards. "Leader" in Obama's case is a euphamism for dictator, which is why his actions have consequences for everyone world wide. A Country. foreign to the U.S., wouldn't have to worry about a Federal President's actions, because his external authority is severely limited to treaties and military retaliation - but Congress has to declare war for the latter to occur and wars aren't Constitutionally permitted to be sustained longer than a 2 year period. That's gone out the window... perhaps blasted off the planet.

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