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Maquis and Starfleet

startrek_alpha

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Report this Dec. 22 2012, 11:23 am

Do you think that Star Trek Voyager could have had the Maquis be a little like the Maquis in the first episodes? Did they really show what the Maquis are all about on the ship?

FleetAdmiral_BamBam

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Report this Dec. 22 2012, 11:40 am

Some of the Maquis had problems adapting to Starfleet life, like in the episode "Learning Curve."


 


But... I think some of the Maquis (other than Torres & Chakotay) had at least some Starfleet background (maybe growing up on ships, etc.,) so acting like Starfleet wasn't impossible - especially on Voyager where they really had to focus on their duties.

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Report this Dec. 22 2012, 12:41 pm

Agree.

startrek_alpha

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Report this Dec. 22 2012, 12:42 pm

Tuvok had a hard time with the Maquis in The Learning Curve. I think they should have shown them more as Maquis and not officers of Starfleet.

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Report this Dec. 23 2012, 1:43 am

They should have organized and give the negro alien a beating so the next time he wont be so high in the clouds when dealling with them...

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Report this Dec. 23 2012, 4:36 pm

I agree with startrek_alpha. Chakotay seemed to adapt a little too soon in my oppinion. at least with B'Elanna the struggle to fit in was constant and shown.


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Report this Dec. 23 2012, 7:13 pm

Thank you ace_dragon_breeder.

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Report this Dec. 24 2012, 10:06 am

Not a problem. What always bugged me most about it was in the first episoad and B'Elanna is freaking out demanding answers for why there listning to Janeway and Chakotay just says "She's the captain"


My head cannon is that it was love at first site for him and he was thrilled with the idea of 70 years to build up the courage to tell her the truth


"I'm not sure I get it, either. I just know this is something I have to do." ~B'Elanna

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Report this Dec. 24 2012, 10:38 am

I agree, it seemed like too quick a change. With the exeption of Seska and Suder, everyone became Starfleet within the first few months.


I sort of expected the starfleet personel to start being less formal as well, but they stayed totaly starfleet.


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Report this Dec. 24 2012, 2:55 pm

The two crews blended out of necessity. And I'm sure the emotional loss of their homes/family/day-to-day life offered everyone an opportunity to relate and reconcile most of their differences. 


It is also important to remember that many of the Maquis were former Federation citizens, who elected to secede from the Federation, which negotiated away the private property of its citizens and violated their civil rights. These people went onto defend their private property when the Cardassians violated the peace agreement. Now, the Maquis were wrong with regards to expecting Federation intervention and in theft/sabotage of Federation property to fund their endeavours. So the only grievance that really existed between Starfleet and the Marquis was Starfleet's official position, which was born of flawed politics. Many Starfleet Officers, though they remained loyal to Starfleet, were shown to sympathize with the Maquis. 


But even though the two crews blended, "Good Shepard" gave lip service to a group of Maquis that never quite adjusted. 


As for Chakotay, he was shown to abide by Libertarian principles. It makes perfect sense that while aboard Voyager he would respect Federation Property and thus Janeway's authority to destroy the Caretake Array. In "Parallax", Chakotay did ask Janeway if she would've respected his authority had their situations been reversed. 


I also imagine the Starfleet Officers remained formal to provide them a sense of comfort and security, particularly since they were under constant threat and had to remain at their best.

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Report this Dec. 30 2012, 1:18 pm

Chakotay adapted quickly I believe due to his prior experience with Starfleet unlike the rest of the Maquis which had little experience with Starfleet rules, regulations, and procedures.

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Report this Jan. 04 2013, 3:53 am

I believe that Chakotay, who was the leader of that Maquis faction, had been in starfleet.  Not to mention they had no ship so they sort of had to help out or spend a very long time in the brig.


 


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Report this Jan. 12 2013, 12:18 am

The maquis should never have integrated so fully, especially not as quickly as they did. These people believed that the Federation had betrayed them, not the other way around. Their hatred toward the Cardassians extended toward the Federation that had given them up to the empire they so despised. Anyway, if they had tried to, which they would have, realistically, they could have successfully mutinied. Voyager had no first officer, no chief engineer, no medical personnel besides a (not yet sentient) hologram, and a helmsman, a guide, and a nurse who would likely stay out of any conflict, not to mention a severely depleted crew, who would be unused to combat compared to the highly experienced Maquis, many of whom had given up their careers in Starfleet to fight for what they believed was a just cause.


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Report this Jan. 12 2013, 4:34 am

Quote: cochrane2063 @ Jan. 12 2013, 12:18 am

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>Anyway, if they had tried to, which they would have, realistically, they could have successfully mutinied.

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And having successfully mutinied, they could have... done what Fletcher Christian did when he led the seizing of the Bounty,  and give up any chance of returning home, then find a nice quiet place to settle down, get it on with some locals and hope that by the time the power they mutinied from finds them, it's the descendants who've got to deal with any lingering angst against such mutineers?


I suspect, given the context of the Voyager predicament, even the Maquis wanted to get 'home' rather than be forced by the act of mutiny, to remain in the Delta quadrant...


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Report this Jan. 13 2013, 4:41 pm

Would the Maquis rather go home to a war zone where their lives are put on the line day after day (assuming the Federation doesn't keep them locked up) than stay in a safe, if unusual and isolated, area which was free from the Cardassians, the Federation, and war?


Anyway, since the Voyager was already (I think) presumed destroyed, the Federation wouldn't (and couldn't) send anyone to pick up the mutineers for court-martial.


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