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JJ on The Sequel

Vger23

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Report this Dec. 14 2012, 6:01 am

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Quote: wissa @ Dec. 13 2012, 2:46 pm

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>really, no one is asking you to like the new movies, or even see them.  You have fun with your reruns.  Cause plenty of people are enjoying the new incarnation

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Is this world really so bereft of enjoyment that we can't have fun with both?

of course you can.  I do.  But some people seem so determined to hate that they find the most bizarre things to complain about.



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WkdYngMan

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Report this Dec. 15 2012, 3:49 am

Quote: Beershark @ Dec. 12 2012, 6:30 pm

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id="yui_3_5_1_23_1355364825770_294">taken fron an Access Hollywood interveiw:

>"Director J.J. Abrams - who doesn't exactly make small movies - said the "Star Trek" sequel is his biggest project yet.

id="yui_3_5_1_23_1355364825770_293">"This movie is infinitely bigger than anything I've done before," he explained. "The challenge was making it feel real and believable and this is a huge action adventure, but nobody cares about a spaceship flying through space unless you love the characters on the ship. We had to make sure you had grounded, believable characters.""

>Is he an idiot or what? Star Trek HAD well developed, grounded and believable characters, until he got ahold of them!

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You're not really making the point here that you think you are.  Nor did he say anything to the contrary of what you said in regards to the Star Trek of previous having developed, grounded characters.  This wasn't really worth the time in making a thread about, sorry.

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Report this Dec. 15 2012, 4:18 am

Quote: Vger23 @ Dec. 13 2012, 11:03 pm



"Guys, seriously, let's not do this all over again, ok? Let's not wallow around like a bunch of bitter contemptable nerds angsting over every single statement that JJ Abrams is going to make over the next 5 months, looking for every opportunity to pick it apart and translate it (most of the time completely out of context) into something insulting, disrespectful or blasphemous.

And, if you're going to do that, then you better be ready to say the same about Nicholas Meyer, who outright admits in several cases (From The Bridge, his own autobiography and Star Trek Movie Memories by Shatner) that he never watched Star Trek, didn't like Star Trek very much, and quite frankly didn't care what anyone thought about what it SHOULD be (including Gene or the fans) because he was going to make HIS movies.

Some of you put so much effort into being miserable that you've forgotten how to have fun and enjoy anything.

It's director speak. It's generic, meaningless talk that every filmmaker needs to engage in. It's no different than a Bill Belichick press conference after a Patriots game...a bunch of useless canned stuff to feed to the media. Relax. Please.

Why people would want to get so spun up and force home-made misery on themselves is beyond me.

I honestly hope (and wish) that you folks who are SO bent out of shape about the movie franchise would just step away. Don't go see it. Don't go see it at all. Why add to your misery? You know you're going to hate every minute of it. Even if it's enjoyable...you'll FORCE yourself to hate it. Why not cut yourself some slack? Go glow-bowling instead or something.

I mean it...seriously."



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It's not going to stop, and you'd be kidding yourself to think it ever will. Every month there's always something new/someone else, and it's always going to continue. The only thing to do is to ignore it completely. Cold turkey, without reply. Because in the end, the sad truth has been, that for every ONE of them that's ever come on here, and for all the posters like yourself who's constantly "gotten into it" with them, you've spent more time on each one of them, than any one of them ever did on you/hating this movie.



That means that over the course of 4 years, the ones who have actually been the most involved with this issue have been the posters who have been constantly agonizing over them.



That's sad, and it never made any difference/changed them. Always to be associated with this movie now.


Somniac

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Report this Dec. 15 2012, 5:44 am

This is a bit of a sad attitude isn't it?


Arguing and debating artistic differences is one of the most stimulating things to do. It keeps the brain in trim.


And it's fun.


To suggest people should stop it because it's gone on a long time seems a bit defeatist to me.


Anyway if you don't think it's worth it, why did you bother posting? Just to tell us all off?


 


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Blockman

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Report this Dec. 15 2012, 6:06 am

There's no "debate" if both sides just spout AT one another the same re-hashed, rhetoric with no progress/movement for years now.


Somniac

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Report this Dec. 15 2012, 6:54 am

Yeh I take your point. It's a fair cop.


If only people weren't so annoying!

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Report this Dec. 15 2012, 12:45 pm

We're just saying, if we want to see an action movie, with people breaking through glass and jumping of cliffs, villans destroying citys and New York or San Fransisco always getting destroyed, we can watch Iron Man, Bat Man, Super Man, Captain America, or Spider man. Seriously though, Star Trek isn't supposed to be one of those. But now, they make it some generic adventure movie. That's now what Trek fans are trekkies for!


 


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Report this Dec. 15 2012, 4:15 pm

Oh,Great; More Comparing Oranges to Apples! Folks, It's STAR TREK! Can At Least SOME Of Us Enjoy It Without Overanylizing It?

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Report this Dec. 15 2012, 6:08 pm

Quote: Sehlat123 @ Dec. 15 2012, 12:45 pm

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>We're just saying, if we want to see an action movie, with people breaking through glass and jumping of cliffs, villans destroying citys and New York or San Fransisco always getting destroyed, we can watch Iron Man, Bat Man, Super Man, Captain America, or Spider man. Seriously though, Star Trek isn't supposed to be one of those. But now, they make it some generic adventure movie. That's now what Trek fans are trekkies for!

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good lord.  Have you even SEEN TOS?


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Report this Dec. 15 2012, 7:04 pm

I won't waste my time or money going to the theater to go watch it.  I made that mistake with the last one.  I was even given the last movie on DVD for a present and I took it back to the store.  I collect the Star Trek books, but books based on the aboration/abomination of the last movie will not be added.


 


I find that Star Trek Phase II and the many other fan built videos, while lacking in the full production of a show/movie, are much closer to the principles of the Star Trek of the first 40 years.


 


There's a lot more to Star Trek than a ship named Enterprise and a captain named Kirk.


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Report this Dec. 15 2012, 9:13 pm

The term "Sucks to be you" comes to mind.

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Report this Dec. 15 2012, 10:48 pm

I'm a newbie at the whole post thing, but not to Trek. 


I think Abrams knew exactly what he was doing with the new Trek films. He knew they needed to be a big budget, big cast, lots of action and a bit of random romance thrown in. And it took me multiple viewings of the film to realize what he was doing with the storyline.


I was furious about the whole young Spock- Uhura romance at first and then I realize the genius (might be a bit overstatment) of what Abrams was doing with the new films. He is making them 'new'. I 100% agree that the TOS characters were and are and always will be, amazing, classic and unforgettable characters and even TNG crew was fabulous, but creating an alternate reality will change the things that we see in these loved and well known characters.


If anything we should be grateful to Abrams for taking a step away (yet not too far) from the normal storyline, so that we, as Trekkies can learn more about these characters that we love so much.


And I agree with Vger23, if you're just going to complain about the films, then don't go see them! No one is making you! 

Somniac

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Report this Dec. 16 2012, 1:21 am

Quote: WkdYngMan @ Dec. 15 2012, 9:13 pm

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>The term "Sucks to be you" comes to mind.

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The term "rude arsehole" comes to mine.


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Somniac

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Report this Dec. 16 2012, 1:39 am

 


"I think Abrams knew exactly what he was doing with the new Trek films. He knew they needed to be a big budget, big cast, lots of action and a bit of random romance thrown in."


 


Great. It can fade into the miasma of other like block busters. As long as it makes money right?


 


" I was furious about the whole young Spock- Uhura romance at first and then I realize the genius (might be a bit overstatment) of what Abrams was doing with the new films. He is making them 'new'. I 100% agree that the TOS characters were and are and always will be, amazing, classic and unforgettable characters and even TNG crew was fabulous, but creating an alternate reality will change the things that we see in these loved and well known characters. "


 


Yeh that's precisely the problem for some of us though.


 


" If anything we should be grateful to Abrams for taking a step away (yet not too far) from the normal storyline, so that we, as Trekkies can learn more about these characters that we love so much. "


 


They are not the loved and well known characters though are they. Spock has become someone who would dump someone to die on a hostile planet. Oh yeh, I forgot,he has been changed by the "alternate timeline experience"




"And I agree with Vger23, if you're just going to complain about the films, then don't go see them! No one is making you! "


 


Doesn't mean we can't diss them if we want though eh.


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Report this Dec. 17 2012, 1:03 am

Quote: wissa @ Dec. 13 2012, 2:46 pm

Quote: Beershark @ Dec. 13 2012, 2:18 pm

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really, no one is asking you to like the new movies, or even see them.  You have fun with your reruns.  Cause plenty of people are enjoying the new incarnation


Really, I'm not saying it was a bad movie, except for all that lens flare and some of the cast and some of the location choices. It's an okay movie. I'm saying it's bad Star Trek. And I will go see it, thank-you very much, because bad Trek is still better than no Trek. And guess what else, I will continue to express my opinion about it and any future Trek.


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