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How NASA might build its very first warp drive

kiarra_ourulle

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Report this Dec. 12 2012, 1:33 pm

Found this article on io9 a couple weeks ago and thought it was really cool.


http://io9.com/5963263/how-nasa-will-build-its-very-first-warp-drive



"White speculates that such a drive could result in "speeds" that could take a spacecraft to Alpha Centauri in a mere two weeks — even though the system is 4.3 light-years away."


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Report this Dec. 13 2012, 10:31 am

Cool article.


My question is:  Why did it take so long for scientists to develop this craft?


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Report this Dec. 17 2012, 4:12 pm

You have to remember that Einsteins theories only revolve around particle systems of energy. Einstein did not have any biological knowledge behind him that proves or disproves his theories only assumptions.


The main consideration that needs to be remembered is that when a vessel increases its velocity in space it is occupying more space more rapidly than the velocity it had been recently occupying space at.


The particles around the ship thus create an exponetionally greater amount of force on the ship as the interaction between the ships hull and equipment contained within are subjected to greater forces of electromagentism which cause particles to become attracted to the ships hull and interior equipment. As the ship encounters more of these particles at a faster rate of velocity the interaction causes the particles involved to change their atomic and molecular states of being as new molecules and particles are created as a result of the interactions between each at the increased velocities basically creating a quantum flux singularity similar to the event that created the Big Bang.


 


Think of traveling faster than the speed of light like a speed boat in water.


 


The water around the speed boat is space time containing all of the particles and their energetic reactions that create aa force upon the ship. If the ship is left powerless it will drift throughout space time being carried to whatever destination the tides of space time carry it to. But if the motor of the speed boat is turned and accelerated along a vector of travel the speed boat is able to determine its course of direction.


The main thing that needs to be thought about is that when the speed boat goes from the 0 zero to knock you in the water velocity there is a time dialation affect  where the force of the speed boat must overcome the force  placed on it by the surrounding water. This is the point when the speed boat will use most of its fuel and will exert most of its force against the water until the speed boat has reached a fast enough velocity to counter the force placed against it.


But what makes the speed boat travel even faster is that it is actually riding a wavelength and as it travels from crest to crest it actually loses most of the force placed against it.


See Wiki image.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wavelength


The area between the two crests is void of any resistance force from the wavelength meaning that boat is using less energy but still traveling forward. It is not until the boat encounters the next crest does it actually use energy again to jump over the next void between the crests. This occurs billions of times for the speed every second and is what causes the ebb or up and down motion when traveling at such velocities.


You will also notice in the image that there is also a second waveform that appears between the points of the crests highest peak its equilibrium and the trough that forms a slanted rectangle from all of the points. Within this rectangle are two areas where there is not any force present where both areas parallel each other in the opposite direction of going against the wavelength and going with the wavelength. This is the area in which the starship will not have a force placed upon it and would smoothly cruise to the next crest.


The reason why the speed boat goes faster and faster is because its motor pushing on the wavelength behind it forces the front of the boat against the incoming wavelength. As the boat travels faster and faster it slowly travels up the incoming wavelength where less and less resistance is placed against it until the boat is riding on the crest of each wavelength.


Since our starship would be traveling through an ocean of particles because of the build up of particles encountered as the starship increases velocity and occupies more space the starship would need to have the ability to first determine which particle waves are present and in which direction they are traveling to adjust their computer to operate the engines at their peak perfomance.


Since wavelengths travel in all directions at any one time the first part of discovering warp drive is too first map out how particles in space time interaction with each other to create a blanket of particles interacting as a unified body regardless of their individual properties.


Basically what this means is that the particles in space when discovered to be traveling parallel to each other along a vector of travel can be said to have obtained the same state of wavelength equilibrium. Once these layers have been discovered they would build an overall image of a wavelength as seen in the Wiki Image that when our starship punches it will travel up the combined particle wavelengths until it reaches a crest where it will skip across each crest thus allowing faster than light travel.


The only real problem that I can foresee is how does one deal with the wavelenghts interdicting the starship from a non parallel direction of travel?


Basically this idea revolves around particles in space acting in a combined manner of the waves during a hurricane. For reference I point you to the movie the Perfect Storm. When the ship is in the storm the waves that are all around it would be similar to the wavelengths encountered by our starship when traveling at faster than light speed velocities.


There has to be a single point for the ships computer to look onto to determine where the waves are going to crest and trough at so that the ship can travel through the channel between both crests and possibly even up the side of a crest to be able to avoid the force of resistance that such wavelengths present us.


The answer is right there before us. And from what I have discovered the maost difficult questions to answer such as faster than light travel are probably the easiest to solve because the answer is right there before us.


We can think of the above theory are possible because for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction where the unseen forces of nature such as gravity and magentism that are present in space create seen images for us here on Earth.


I hope you understand what I am trying to say. I know what I mean.


Ah simple experiment. Take a glass of water and blow on the surface of it. You can't see the wind the wind creates a force against the water that creates an a equal result of a causality.


Now place your face directly over the glass of water so that your nose is almost touching the water and blow really hard.


LOL.


 


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Report this Dec. 17 2012, 11:44 pm

Interesting. For the moment however perhaps we should be concentrating on how to replicate true gravity in space? Warp may be uncomfortable otherwise!

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Report this Dec. 18 2012, 12:06 pm

The biggest problem I foresee is the inertial dampening system, along with artificial gravity.  Most of the other problems seem to have been (potentially) solved or solvable in the near future.


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Report this Dec. 18 2012, 1:54 pm


The biggest problem I foresee is the inertial dampening system, along with artificial gravity. Most of the other problems seem to have been (potentially) solved or solvable in the near future.



 


This is true. The human body functions in two frames of velocity one being the rotation of Earth itself which is around a 1,000 miles an hour along with the Earth moving around the sun at a velocity of 67,000 mph.


http://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/ask_astro/answers/970401c.html


Both of these interial forces keep the planet intact along with humans being able to walk instead of floating around.


The first field would need to rotate around the human at 1000 miles an hour meaning that a magnetic field would have to constantly be generated around the ship along the x y and z planes at 1000 mph.


The second field that would need to be generated would be a magnetic field that is projected from the outter most sections of the hull inwards on the x, y and z planes at 67,000 mph to mimic the Earths orbiting the sun.


Both of these fields in theory would create a constant push and pull on the human body that would cause the body to perform work which then causes the other systems of the body to perform in the manner that they do.


Travelling close to light speed velocties and faster would see a magnetic field on the outside of the ship projecting inwards at the same velocity of warp speed or the increments of warp speed. If a ship is traveling at 1.1 times the speed of light the outside field would have to maintain its rotation at 1.1 times the speed of light.


The interior field would have to be adjusted to compensate for the increased pressure placed on it by the exterior field otherwise the exterior field would collapse the interior field and rip the ship apart in an instant.


 


 


 


 


 

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Report this Jan. 01 2013, 1:54 pm

Very interesting.

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Report this Jan. 17 2013, 11:00 am

Quote: kiarra_ourulle @ Dec. 12 2012, 1:33 pm

>

>Found this article on io9 a couple weeks ago and thought it was really cool.

>http://io9.com/5963263/how-nasa-will-build-its-very-first-warp-drive

>"White speculates that such a drive could result in "speeds" that could take a spacecraft to Alpha Centauri in a mere two weeks — even though the system is 4.3 light-years away."

>


 


IMO NASA has really dropped the ball, they should have completely focused on two areas.   1.  Getting the cost of launching objects into space down dramatically from $10,000 per pound to under $100.00 per pound.  2.  They should have focused R/D on increasing the speed at which we travel in space from the snails pace we go now 25,000 MPH to something much higher.   I personally fill that if NASA had focused on these two areas   the launch cost would be way down with many missions curently going on  (possibly even a colony on Mars and Moon) and we'd be traveling close to 1,000,000 MPH in space.    Instead they wasted over $200 billion on the space shuttle, a program by the way, which was estimated to have cost 8 million or so to launch into space many many times each ear.   Instead it cost $500 milllion plus to launch and they only had 3 to 4 launches per year.   Another thing the space station, what another boon doogle.   Had they got the cost o launching down dramatically first  it would have cost 10% of the $100 billion it cost. 

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Report this Jan. 23 2013, 6:43 pm

I wouldn't count on NASA for anything other than tracking space debris and giving tours at Kennedy stressing the glories of the good ol' days when astronauts risked much to accomplish great things. The next wave of space travel will come from private sources like Virgin Galactic and such, the kind of folks who just can't abide the fact that we went to the moon and then STOPPED!

miklamar

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Report this Jan. 24 2013, 7:09 am

If they can do it, do you think they should put it behind a soliton wavefront, riding it like a surfer?


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Report this Mar. 30 2013, 1:01 pm

I read in "Popular Science" that a guy said he was on the verge of creating warp drive. I dont necessarily believe that but it was interesting nonetheless.

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Report this Mar. 31 2013, 8:43 pm

So can we consider any visitors soon?


Make it so.

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Report this Apr. 08 2013, 2:13 pm

To The Core of the Sun We Go


A Theory On Light Speed - I was thinking about light speed and how physicists say that it is impossible to travel at such a velocity. Such an idea is nonsense really. Traveling at the speed of light is really nothing more than traveling faster than the speed of sound. The main difference is that as we approach the speed of light the effects of gravity become less and less just like the effects of gravity become less and less when a shuttle full of humans leaves the Earth. The comparable variable involved is that there wouldn't be a Universal amount of mass placed on the body like theories suggest.  Take for instance the light photon. It travels at the speed of light because of the gravity of the suns singularity effecting the velocity of the light photon. If the suns gravity was not a determining factor in deciding the light photons velocity and was not the determining factor of light speed itself with light speed being the fastest velocity possible then a Black Hole would not be able to consume a light photon. This means that the gravitational pull of a Black Hole is so intense that not even at light speed can the photon escape which means that the velocity of infinity is present within the Black Hole that pulls the light photon into it. The effect of gravity is the key determination of light speed just like gravity determines the velocity at which a bird, prop plane, jet and shuttle can operate at. This means that to approach the light speed barrier the process that creates the light photon within the sun itself must be explored. When discovered it should lead to the understanding that in order to achieve the velocity of light speed a compression rate compared to the layers of the sun pressing on atoms within the sun where the core emits its own pressure against the outer pressure of the sun that then squeezes the light photon out from between them at the speed of light.


If a similar process can be developed where a laser is fired at a deteurium target where a field similar to a suns core is pressing outward and the top layers of the sun creating a pressure downward and the target at the point of compression has the laser fired at it then because of the compression rate and the sudden release of energy from the deteurium target would create a tremendous amount of forward velocity.


If you think about it the photon escaping the gravity of the sun would have to greater than the suns gravity otherwise a light photon would never reach the Earth but would be contained within the sun for all time.


Perhaps there is a connection between a Black Hole a Sun and the Light Photons ability to escape the gravity of a sun.


A light photon can escape the gravity of a sun but it cannot escape the gravity of a black hole. A sun becomes a Black Hole depending upon various factors involved. Perhaps the same variable involved with the creation of the light photon is a mirror of the effects upon it by a Black Hole. Maybe there is a micro Black Hole at the center of the sun that propels that light photon away from the Sun at light speed that after the sun collapses into a Black Hole that the same processes that accelerates the light photon to light speed then pulls the light photon into the black hole because of the black holes now inverted amount of gravity is able to pull on the light photon faster than which the light photon was created at.


The key to understanding light speed is the center of the sun and the processes at which at the very moment that the sun collapses into a singularity is when the most amount of pressure would be present that immediately afterwards the sun erupts into an energetic causlity where the outward emission of particles is traveling at the same velocity that would soon become the center of the Black Hole that is then able to consume any all particles even light traveling at the speed of light.


 


If light speed travel wasn't possible then humans would not have broken the sound barrier or space barrier which is governed by the gravitational forces of the sun first and foremost.


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