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Star Trek Voyager Film???

jrowebb

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Report this Jan. 03 2013, 5:00 am

A direct to DVD Voyager movie would have been great IF they made it while still in the Delta Quadrant. Talk about the success of a movie is always based on story, and yes Voyager had great stories amovie requires a little more effort than just a cast that has chemistry. The 2009 ST movie from my POV didn't have a great story since the writers decided the Vulcans and Romulans didn't have a way off their respective planets when a catastrophe occured, and how do you place Delta Vega next door to Vulcan? Good story equals success. Generations had it, First Contact had it. Insurrection didn't have it and neither did Nemesis. A good director can only do so much.

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Report this Jan. 03 2013, 8:52 am

Quote: jrowebb @ Jan. 03 2013, 5:00 am

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>A direct to DVD Voyager movie would have been great IF they made it while still in the Delta Quadrant. Talk about the success of a movie is always based on story, and yes Voyager had great stories amovie requires a little more effort than just a cast that has chemistry. The 2009 ST movie from my POV didn't have a great story since the writers decided the Vulcans and Romulans didn't have a way off their respective planets when a catastrophe occured, and how do you place Delta Vega next door to Vulcan? Good story equals success. Generations had it, First Contact had it. Insurrection didn't have it and neither did Nemesis. A good director can only do so much.

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I have a couple comments based on your post.


1. Why would they do a "direct to DVD" movie while still in the Delta Quadrent when they could simply air the episode as part of the series (2-parter) and get the advertising revenue guaranteed? A direct to DVD movie makes no sense in the scenario you've presented. It would just be a 2-part broadcast episode, like they did many times anyway.


2. I don't understand your complaints about the 2009 movie "not having a good story" simply because people couldn't get off their doomed planets, etc. How do you evacuate BILLIONS of people from a planet in a few minutes? 


3. I disagree with your statement that a "good story equals success." There's TONS more that goes into "success" of a major motion picture. I think it's more accurate to say that "a bad story equals failure." Good actors, directors, production values, etc. can make up for a story that isn't great. But, nothing can make up for an outright BAD story. 


4. Generations was not a good story at all. It was a convoluted, poorly-paced mess and even the guys who wrote it (see Branon Braga and Ronald D. Moore interviews and commentary track on the BluRay) admit was riddled with poor writing and that they made dramatic mistakes throughout.. 


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jrowebb

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Report this Jan. 03 2013, 9:37 am

1. To make money.


2. That movie had too many ST facts wrong.


3. I agree.


4. I don't watch the extras or read interviews, so I'll take your word for it.

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Report this Jan. 03 2013, 9:58 am

I think that the Voyager Book Series more than made up for there not being a Film. The Book series answers all the questions that needed to be and adds some awesome new characters. If there was a film that would be great! But if there isnt I can live with that.


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Report this Jan. 03 2013, 10:04 am

Quote: jrowebb @ Jan. 03 2013, 9:37 am

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>1. To make money.

>2. That movie had too many ST facts wrong.

>3. I agree.

>4. I don't watch the extras or read interviews, so I'll take your word for it.

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1. I guess that was my point. Why market and distribute a "direct to DVD" movie when you can just produce a 2-hour episode that is guaranteed to return a profit?


2. That's not the point you were arguing initially, though. And I'm curious what "Star Trek facts" were wrong in the movie. Since it is set in an alternate reality, I'm not sure what facts you're talking about.


3. It was a subtle, but minor re-working of your words!


4. You should give it a shot...some of the behind-the-scenes stuff is absolutely fascinating...particularly about the film series. The "making of" story for Star Trek The Motion Picture is one of the most fascinating stories I've ever heard. Very interesting stuff. 


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jrowebb

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Report this Jan. 03 2013, 10:32 am

1. That is the major reason why studios rarely make "two hour episodes." The profit is in the product. Why short yourself? Fans would have bought a Voyager movie, a DS9 movie and a ton of other ST books turned movie. 


2. Delta Vega was never anywhere close to Vulcan. It was at the galactic barrier. Going into warp while in a solar syatem was strictly prohibited by Starfleet. It never took three or four minutes to get to vulcan, at maximum warp or not. Four cores in a Starfleet vessel? Yeah, right. A windshield installed in the bridge? Yeah, right II. And if the Romulans can built that gigantic mining vessel how could they not have made a dozen more to evacuate the planet? C'mon. I can understand Kirk's history being changed, but George Kirk in the timeline I know was a scientist, not a bridge officer. He was also his brother. Why was he changed into his father? IDK, bad story.


3. I agree with you on many levels that a movie doesn't necessarily need a good story to be successful, but I also don't have to go down the line and state why I agree. I typed before thinking and, wrong or not, I stand by what I typed.


4. That DVD extra I'll watch since I want to buy the BR disc.


Nice debate by the way.

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Report this Jan. 03 2013, 11:21 am

Quote: jrowebb @ Jan. 03 2013, 10:32 am

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>1. That is the major reason why studios rarely make "two hour episodes." The profit is in the product. Why short yourself? Fans would have bought a Voyager movie, a DS9 movie and a ton of other ST books turned movie. 

>2. Delta Vega was never anywhere close to Vulcan. It was at the galactic barrier. Going into warp while in a solar syatem was strictly prohibited by Starfleet. It never took three or four minutes to get to vulcan, at maximum warp or not. Four cores in a Starfleet vessel? Yeah, right. A windshield installed in the bridge? Yeah, right II. And if the Romulans can built that gigantic mining vessel how could they not have made a dozen more to evacuate the planet? C'mon. I can understand Kirk's history being changed, but George Kirk in the timeline I know was a scientist, not a bridge officer. He was also his brother. Why was he changed into his father? IDK, bad story.

>3. I agree with you on many levels that a movie doesn't necessarily need a good story to be successful, but I also don't have to go down the line and state why I agree. I typed before thinking and, wrong or not, I stand by what I typed.

>4. That DVD extra I'll watch since I want to buy the BR disc.

>Nice debate by the way.

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Very good debate!


 


Let's talk a little about the 2009 film (yes, off topic, but still fun)


1. It is possible that "Delta Vega" is a designation that multiple planets might share. There are multiple town and city names of the same kind on Earth...I think the vastness of space indicates that it's highly likely there would be the same in the galaxy!


2. There's no canon evidence to support that going to warp within a solar system is prohibited. In fact, most of the shows (TNG a ton) and films (look at Treks III and IV for example) depict the Enterprise or other ships going to warp right next to a planet. 


3. There's time not shown on the trip to Vulcan. This is obvious because McCoy has changed his clothes, and because the Narada leaves Vulcan orbit and heads straight for Earth, and doesn't get there in anywhere near 3-4 minutes. So, you're not seeing a "real time" depiction of the trip when the Enterprise leaves Earth at the beginning of the film.


4. It doesn't say there's 4 cores. They use the term "warp core" as a singular. Those four elements you see ejected may simply be segments of the same core.


5. I agree that the windshield on the bridge is stupid. No argument there. I don't really like the production design of the last film at all.


6. Even "dozens more" ships that size would not have allowed them to evacuate billions and billions of people in a timely manner. It's just not possible. Its BILLIONS of people...not thousands. Billions is a HUGE number!


7. George Samuel Kirk was Jim Kirk's older brother. There is no canon evidence of Kirk's mother's or father's name in broadcast Star Trek history prior to the 2009 film. This film meerly established that Kirk's father was named George (naming the firstborn son after the father is a common practice) as well, and was an officer aboard the USS Kelvin. There is a non-canon book by Diane Carey titled "Final Frontier" (written back in the late 80's) which established Kirk's father was named George as well, but this is not "official." (edit): In fact, it may explain why Jim Kirk calls his brother "Sam..." to distinguish between him and his father!


 


I think there are tremendous continuity issues in many of the films. Most fans just shurg them off, much the same as I've done here, because enjoying the narrative is more important than adhering to some fictional set of facts. 


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Report this Jan. 03 2013, 11:23 am

Oh, also, the TMP Directors Cut contains a TON of interesting materials on the background and making of the film. Shatner's "Star Trek Movie Memories" book is also very in-depth about the process, including detailed description of scripts and storylines that were submitted and considered but not produced. Very fascinating stuff...

jrowebb

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Report this Jan. 03 2013, 12:52 pm

1. I should tell you that whenever I talk about ST I will never talk about the alternative timeline, I will always speak on the timeline we all grew up on. However, ST:TOS - Where No Man Has Gone Before (watch it again)


2. Star Trek DS9 - The Die Is Cast... Changling Bashir has a bomb headed for the Bajor Sun. Kira commands to go to warp when Dax states that command is a bad idea (not exact words), however to stop the bomb they had to go into warp.


3. In the 2009 movie, from the time Sulu rights the ship to their arrival, VERY LITTLE TIME PASSED. Memroy Alpha states "Vulcan was located between the Tholian Assembly and Romulus." Meaning, Vulcan is very far from Earth.


4. In the 2009 movie, to escape the black hole, Scotty ejects 4 cores from the Enterprise.


6. Romulus wasn't given any time for evacuation, plus the fact that even in ST:TNG a sun took years to go nova.


7. I would've thought if he had a name Gene would have named him, but yes there is no mention of his name even in comics I never saw it mentioned.


Great Vger23, glad we had this discussion.

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Report this Jan. 03 2013, 1:16 pm

Quote: jrowebb @ Jan. 03 2013, 12:52 pm

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>1. I should tell you that whenever I talk about ST I will never talk about the alternative timeline, I will always speak on the timeline we all grew up on. However, ST:TOS - Where No Man Has Gone Before (watch it again)

>2. Star Trek DS9 - The Die Is Cast... Changling Bashir has a bomb headed for the Bajor Sun. Kira commands to go to warp when Dax states that command is a bad idea (not exact words), however to stop the bomb they had to go into warp.

>3. In the 2009 movie, from the time Sulu rights the ship to their arrival, VERY LITTLE TIME PASSED. Memroy Alpha states "Vulcan was located between the Tholian Assembly and Romulus." Meaning, Vulcan is very far from Earth.

>4. In the 2009 movie, to escape the black hole, Scotty ejects 4 cores from the Enterprise.

>6. Romulus wasn't given any time for evacuation, plus the fact that even in ST:TNG a sun took years to go nova.

>7. I would've thought if he had a name Gene would have named him, but yes there is no mention of his name even in comics I never saw it mentioned.

>Great Vger23, glad we had this discussion.

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I think you missed some of what I was trying to say...!


1. I know that Delta Vega is the site of the Lithium Cracking station in Where No Man Has Gone Before, and that planet was very close to the Galactic Barrier at the edge of the Milky Way. That episode is one of my favorites, so I've probably seen it more than 40 times. What I'm saying is that there are probably over 30 towns in America named "Bedford" or "Milford" or whathaveyou. In the vastness of space...I'm sure there are bound to be different planets with the same designation. Delta Vega is obviously one of them! 


2. Perhaps so, but in TNG, the Enterprise is seen warping out of orbit, within clear sight of a planet, many times. In Star Trek III, the Enterprise warps directly out of Earth orbit. In Star Trek IV, she does so again (Enterprise A warps out immediately after clearning spacedock), so there's certainly no restriction or ban on it. If there is, it was developed after the TNG years...so maybe it was developed during the DS9 years!


3. I was saying that in the 2009 movie, time indeed passes, we just don't see it on screen. McCoy has changed clothes between when we see him dragging Kirk around and when Kirk wakes up in sickbay. Also, Nero's ship takes a significant amount of time to warp FROM Vulcan to Earth, so that right there shows you that the planet Vulcan indeed takes time to get to and from. 


4. Scotty ejects 4 objects from the Enterprise that make up one singular "warp core." The dialoge in the film confirms one singular core.


Hopefully this is helpful!


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WesleyRFox

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Report this Jan. 03 2013, 3:49 pm

Voyager movie!!

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Report this Jan. 03 2013, 4:46 pm

I would have rather had a Voyager Movie, than have had the Enterprise television series.


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Report this Jan. 03 2013, 7:44 pm

I like where this is going! lol


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Report this Jan. 04 2013, 1:41 pm

Voyager was a great series to me but I see why they didnt make one if the more popular thg didnt make as muck money as hoped they they probably thought why would voyager

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Report this Jan. 04 2013, 3:02 pm

I realise that a Voyager film would have been, and is, highly unlikely; but having said that I am sure many loyal fans would love to see a film or have something to answer their unanswered questions.


I personally have many questions i want answering about the Voyager crew post arriving home in the Alpha Quadrant. For example.. I know that in the ALTERNATE reality that Admiral Janeway ultimately changed Miral was in starfleet as an Ensign, Harry Kim as a captain and Seven of Nine, Tertiary Adjunct of Unimatrix 01 and Chakotay married but what happens in the real timeline? Do the Voyager crew get any missions in the Alpha quadrant together on Voyager or another ship? What happens to The Doctor, in Admiral Janeway's reality he gets married and names himself 'Joe' but on return does he get sent to do menial labour like the other EMH Mark I's or  does he get a job at Starfleet medical and get married? 


We can assume their futures but it is not the same, in my opinion.


Also, i know that based on PREVIOUS statistics a Voyager film wouldn't make much money, but why not try before giving upon the Voyager franchise.

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