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trekhed68

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Report this Dec. 06 2012, 1:01 pm

Okay, so I have now seen both versions of the trailer, and have been following some of the comment threads on online message boards. I think the following comments, posted by a user named HistoryPhDGuy following this article on Slate.com, mirror my own feelings:



It looks like they have Alice Eve playing someone who looks a lot like Dr. Elizabeth Dehner from the TOS episode "Where No Man Has Gone Before." That leads me to think that Benedict Cumberbatch will be a vengeance seeking Gary Mitchell rather than a rehash of Khan. This makes sense because there was only one actor who could ever play that role and he is now deceased. Would this alternate universe Gary Mitchell have god-like powers that drove him insane and on a path to destroy the human species that refuses to worship him as their one true god? If done properly this could be a great Roddenberryesque look at the role of religion, power and the manipulation of humanity versus the secular Enlightenment values of Reason, science and human compassion. Now that could be a Star Trek worth the price of admission.



In the same comment thread, HistoryPhDGuy also had some interesting things to say about the concept of "darkness" in Trek:



Star Trek II was a dark film in many ways. The crew was getting older, Kirk was having a crisis on how his life was going only to find out he had a son he never knew who wants to kill him. Khan & company hijacked a starship killing a lot of the crew and then went to torture and kill the Genesis scientists to get the device. Kirk's past keeps coming back to haunt him leaving him with blood on his hands. The Enterprise is crippled and many of his crew are killed and injured in the battle with Khan. Our heroes ultimately defeat Khan but only through the sacrifice of Spock who gave his life to save his comrades. I vividly remember crying uncontrollably during the death scene between Spock & Kirk in the Engine Room. Yet the genius of TWOK is that they were able to infuse such a dark film with humor, the chemistry between the characters, the amazing performance by Ricardo Montalban as the flawed antagonist burning with vengeance, the fantastic action scenes in space and on the ships, and the underlying message of life, death and the hope of renewal and meaning in the possibilities of the future.



Props to HistoryPhDGuy--wherever you are--for these insights.


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wagontraintothestars1968

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Report this Dec. 06 2012, 2:13 pm

did anyone think that alice eve might play carol marcus? doesn't matter who she might look like. just because she has the same look or hair style doesn't mean a thing. also at the end of the teaser trailor the was a man in a starfllet blue uniform behind a glass and someone on the other side in gold. the guy in blue pressed the vulcan salute just like the end of twok. anyway i don't care i can't wait for the movie. JJ promised or said an original story and mitchell or kahn or anyone is not original. i just want a good story. besides whats in a teaser or a regular trailor doesn't mean its in the movie. am i hobbit bound??? we'll see.

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Report this Dec. 06 2012, 3:40 pm

Quote: wagontraintothestars1968 @ Dec. 06 2012, 2:13 pm

>did anyone think that alice eve might play carol marcus? doesn't matter who she might look like. just because she has the same look or hair style doesn't mean a thing. also at the end of the teaser trailor the was a man in a starfllet blue uniform behind a glass and someone on the other side in gold. the guy in blue pressed the vulcan salute just like the end of twok. anyway i don't care i can't wait for the movie. JJ promised or said an original story and mitchell or kahn or anyone is not original. i just want a good story. besides whats in a teaser or a regular trailor doesn't mean its in the movie. am i hobbit bound??? we'll see.


 


Re-using canon characters doesn't mean it's not an original story. A re-telling of an episode (like the comic books) would be an unoriginal story. But having a character appear that we've seen before in a totally different story is not "unoriginal."


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wagontraintothestars1968

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Report this Dec. 06 2012, 3:42 pm

I don't see the logic why it might be anyone from the old series. this is a different time line and everyone from the original series either doesn't exist, hasn't happen yet or might not even happen at all. so kirk best friend isn't gary mitchell in this time line, harry mudd, bele lokai, garth, triskelians, etc, doesn't happen or at least not in the way in the old show and i'm sure this movie time is based before any of the TOS episodes. the mitchell episode doesn't happen in this time or if it does its much different. JJ is following batmans trilogy outline. you bring back the most famous evil character of the series and for trek its kahn. anything before trek 09 still happens the way it did so in my opinion only kahn is uneffected until someone runs into his ship in deep space. maybe the klingons or peter weller.

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Report this Dec. 06 2012, 3:44 pm

I think someone has already posted something similar to this but here goes.

I think that Cumberbatch is playing Gary Mitchell from TOS S1EP3 "Where No Man Has Gone Before".



Because this movie is set in the alternate timeline we can disregard the storyline of that episode, but we know that he gains psionic powers along with Dr. Elizabeth Dehner.

The character that Alice Eve is playing in the trailer looks very similar to Dr. Elizabeth Dehner. (Just look at the comparison picture I have put together http://i.imgur.com/HjvoP.jpg )

If this character is present, it will provide more evidence to show that Cumberbatch is playing Gary Mitchell. (I hope I'm right!)

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Report this Dec. 06 2012, 3:50 pm

Quote: wagontraintothestars1968 @ Dec. 06 2012, 3:42 pm

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>I don't see the logic why it might be anyone from the old series. this is a different time line and everyone from the original series either doesn't exist, hasn't happen yet or might not even happen at all. so kirk best friend isn't gary mitchell in this time line, harry mudd, bele lokai, garth, triskelians, etc, doesn't happen or at least not in the way in the old show and i'm sure this movie time is based before any of the TOS episodes. the mitchell episode doesn't happen in this time or if it does its much different. JJ is following batmans trilogy outline. you bring back the most famous evil character of the series and for trek its kahn. anything before trek 09 still happens the way it did so in my opinion only kahn is uneffected until someone runs into his ship in deep space. maybe the klingons or peter weller.

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The speculation that it is a character from the TV series comes from the fact that Roberto Orci has dropped that hint several times in interviews. 


 


Good points about Khan being "unaffected," by the way. That make sound, logical sense.


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Report this Dec. 06 2012, 3:51 pm

Quote: Vger23 @ Dec. 06 2012, 3:40 pm

Quote: wagontraintothestars1968 @ Dec. 06 2012, 2:13 pm

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>did anyone think that alice eve might play carol marcus? doesn't matter who she might look like. just because she has the same look or hair style doesn't mean a thing. also at the end of the teaser trailor the was a man in a starfllet blue uniform behind a glass and someone on the other side in gold. the guy in blue pressed the vulcan salute just like the end of twok. anyway i don't care i can't wait for the movie. JJ promised or said an original story and mitchell or kahn or anyone is not original. i just want a good story. besides whats in a teaser or a regular trailor doesn't mean its in the movie. am i hobbit bound??? we'll see.

 

Re-using canon characters doesn't mean it's not an original story. A re-telling of an episode (like the comic books) would be an unoriginal story. But having a character appear that we've seen before in a totally different story is not "unoriginal."


JJ trek universe is no longer canon. come on are you still not getting it?? forget about what you saw on your dvd or on pix. under JJ that universe no longer exists. comic books? we're talking about universal armaggeddon. this has nothing to do with comic books. a retelling is not original. all your doing is taking a story that was done and change a few things to make it your own. please get off the original TOS story. this isn't your trek anymore. i don't like it either but i will still watch it because regardless its still trek. and forgive me if i sound a little harsh. i was hoping for a movie completely different and new and not something i already kind of saw.

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Report this Dec. 06 2012, 3:57 pm

Quote: wagontraintothestars1968 @ Dec. 06 2012, 3:51 pm

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>JJ trek universe is no longer canon. come on are you still not getting it?? forget about what you saw on your dvd or on pix. under JJ that universe no longer exists. 

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Huh? Why not?


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Report this Dec. 06 2012, 3:59 pm

Quote: wagontraintothestars1968 @ Dec. 06 2012, 3:51 pm

Quote: Vger23 @ Dec. 06 2012, 3:40 pm

Quote: wagontraintothestars1968 @ Dec. 06 2012, 2:13 pm

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>did anyone think that alice eve might play carol marcus? doesn't matter who she might look like. just because she has the same look or hair style doesn't mean a thing. also at the end of the teaser trailor the was a man in a starfllet blue uniform behind a glass and someone on the other side in gold. the guy in blue pressed the vulcan salute just like the end of twok. anyway i don't care i can't wait for the movie. JJ promised or said an original story and mitchell or kahn or anyone is not original. i just want a good story. besides whats in a teaser or a regular trailor doesn't mean its in the movie. am i hobbit bound??? we'll see.

 

Re-using canon characters doesn't mean it's not an original story. A re-telling of an episode (like the comic books) would be an unoriginal story. But having a character appear that we've seen before in a totally different story is not "unoriginal."

JJ trek universe is no longer canon. come on are you still not getting it?? forget about what you saw on your dvd or on pix. under JJ that universe no longer exists. comic books? we're talking about universal armaggeddon. this has nothing to do with comic books. a retelling is not original. all your doing is taking a story that was done and change a few things to make it your own. please get off the original TOS story. this isn't your trek anymore. i don't like it either but i will still watch it because regardless its still trek. and forgive me if i sound a little harsh. i was hoping for a movie completely different and new and not something i already kind of saw.


 


I think we might be talking past each other here. I "get" this new universe construct and everything that comes wiht it. None of this is lost on me.


I'm still not sure what is "unoriginal." I mean, based on what you're arguing, the entire core foundational concept is automatically "unoriginal" because the characters are "re-dos" of the originals. 


Having Khan or Gary Mitchell or freaking Samuel T. Cogley, Attorney at Law appear in a film doesn't make it "unoriginal" by my definition. It is only unoriginal if it is a retelling of the story, like they've been doing with the comics (didn't I just say this?). A unique and new story (which this appears to be) with it's own plot, circumstances, twists, etc isn't suddenly made unoriginal just because a known character happens to be in it. There's nothing in TOS about running off a cliff on a red planet, ships crashing into oceans, etc. It's NOT a re-telling of an existing story. Rest assured, my good sir / madam.


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Report this Dec. 06 2012, 4:01 pm

Quote: Mitchz95 @ Dec. 06 2012, 3:57 pm

Quote: wagontraintothestars1968 @ Dec. 06 2012, 3:51 pm

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>JJ trek universe is no longer canon. come on are you still not getting it?? forget about what you saw on your dvd or on pix. under JJ that universe no longer exists. 

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Huh? Why not?


 


yes, I too would like to understand "why not?" Prime Spock's very existance proves that the universe still exists. The dialoge in the 2009 feature film proves it still exists. 


 


Man, people really get revved up over this thing, huh? I've been following Trek since 1977, and NOTHING about this construct bothers me. NOTHING. I don't get why so many people blow a gasket over it. 


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Report this Dec. 06 2012, 4:13 pm

Quote: Mitchz95 @ Dec. 06 2012, 3:57 pm

Quote: wagontraintothestars1968 @ Dec. 06 2012, 3:51 pm

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>JJ trek universe is no longer canon. come on are you still not getting it?? forget about what you saw on your dvd or on pix. under JJ that universe no longer exists. 

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Huh? Why not?


i mean its not canon to the original. i cringe whenever i see something thatdoesn't seem to fit or can't explain from what i've always known. i guess i'm still old fashion

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Report this Dec. 06 2012, 4:18 pm

Quote: Vger23 @ Dec. 06 2012, 3:59 pm

Quote: wagontraintothestars1968 @ Dec. 06 2012, 3:51 pm

Quote: Vger23 @ Dec. 06 2012, 3:40 pm

Quote: wagontraintothestars1968 @ Dec. 06 2012, 2:13 pm

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>did anyone think that alice eve might play carol marcus? doesn't matter who she might look like. just because she has the same look or hair style doesn't mean a thing. also at the end of the teaser trailor the was a man in a starfllet blue uniform behind a glass and someone on the other side in gold. the guy in blue pressed the vulcan salute just like the end of twok. anyway i don't care i can't wait for the movie. JJ promised or said an original story and mitchell or kahn or anyone is not original. i just want a good story. besides whats in a teaser or a regular trailor doesn't mean its in the movie. am i hobbit bound??? we'll see.

 

Re-using canon characters doesn't mean it's not an original story. A re-telling of an episode (like the comic books) would be an unoriginal story. But having a character appear that we've seen before in a totally different story is not "unoriginal."

JJ trek universe is no longer canon. come on are you still not getting it?? forget about what you saw on your dvd or on pix. under JJ that universe no longer exists. comic books? we're talking about universal armaggeddon. this has nothing to do with comic books. a retelling is not original. all your doing is taking a story that was done and change a few things to make it your own. please get off the original TOS story. this isn't your trek anymore. i don't like it either but i will still watch it because regardless its still trek. and forgive me if i sound a little harsh. i was hoping for a movie completely different and new and not something i already kind of saw.

 

I think we might be talking past each other here. I "get" this new universe construct and everything that comes wiht it. None of this is lost on me.

I'm still not sure what is "unoriginal." I mean, based on what you're arguing, the entire core foundational concept is automatically "unoriginal" because the characters are "re-dos" of the originals. 

Having Khan or Gary Mitchell or freaking Samuel T. Cogley, Attorney at Law appear in a film doesn't make it "unoriginal" by my definition. It is only unoriginal if it is a retelling of the story, like they've been doing with the comics (didn't I just say this?). A unique and new story (which this appears to be) with it's own plot, circumstances, twists, etc isn't suddenly made unoriginal just because a known character happens to be in it. There's nothing in TOS about running off a cliff on a red planet, ships crashing into oceans, etc. It's NOT a re-telling of an existing story. Rest assured, my good sir / madam.


fair enough. maybe i was looking for something different. to me if it is kahn this movie would be more like the episode space seed. i don't know right now i hope the mayans are wrong.

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Report this Dec. 06 2012, 4:39 pm

Sure hope they don't kill Spock. Aren't they signed for a third movie?

wagontraintothestars1968

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Report this Dec. 06 2012, 4:46 pm

at the end of the teaser trailer looks like spock might die. i don't remember where i read it or if i read it from someone else but i think JJ is doing 3 movies where he restores the original time line in the last one. so just puting it out there.

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Report this Dec. 06 2012, 5:13 pm

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>I can't see Spock dying in the traailer. Can someone give me a time offset or isn't it in the international trailer?

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there is a japanese version. you'll recognize it when it has the japanese hyroglyphics on the bottom. but at the end of the trailer you see a blue shirt guy press a vulcan hand signal against the glass and a gold shirt person on the other side. is this the family that will be sacrificed according to the trailer? ianyway i don't know if he dies but it reminded me the way spock died in TWOK so look at it and i would be interested to know yours and anyones opinion


 

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