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Chakotay and Seven?

Halie2437

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Report this Dec. 29 2012, 10:18 pm

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I love Chakotay! He is one of my favorite characters from star trek ever! I also LOVED 7 but as soon as they started pushing that relationship I began to hate her 


I shipped Chakotay and Kathryn and thats that. I may have gotten use to 7/C but it was WAY too rushed :/


I liked janway to but puting her with chakotay would make no sense from the begining star trek was suppose to be very milatary based and a captain would never be involved with someone that is her subordanite she would lose crediblity i think they wanted to pair him to tie up the series and 7 seemed the best candidate. I think if the relationship was developed on screen then it seemingly come out of nowhere then we would have seen it differently and would have gotten a better reception but i am still a fan of it

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Report this Dec. 31 2012, 12:48 pm

I found Chakotay/Seven a very disappointing end to the series - to say the least! I always loved the Janeway/Chakotay relationship and was hoping they would finally get together. For me J/C was tv magic

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Report this Jan. 11 2013, 2:09 pm

I loved Chakotay, Seven was amazing, and they were perfect for each other. One problem- they weren't together long enough; their relationship was only just blossoming in the LAST episode (unless you want to look at Admiral Janeway's version of events.).  


I know this is myu opinion but how can anyone judge their relationship if they weren't together for long. We can assess how good we thought they would be together but not how they actually are together. Plus i think Chakotay and Janeway, Seven and Harry Kim (it would have been funny for them to have a relationship after Seven's reaction to Harry's crush on her- but the crush was just that a crush, would have been good to see it develop though

Steve_Criz

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Report this Jan. 11 2013, 10:01 pm

Chakotay and Seven  - upon watching Voyager series 6 & 7 again over the past couple of weeks, didn't seem as strange or jarring as it did to me all those years ago when the series first aired.


Janeway and Chakotay was never going to happen, despite the occasional 'innuendo' the producers tossed in to that effect, because quite simply, the Captain having more than just a working relationship with the First Offficer would be unworkable. Imagine yourself being a junior officer and watching the two highest ranked officers making decisions, knowing they were also getting along in the sack... Not good from a 'real-world' leadership perspective; even if such a move satisfies the needs of some select viewers. And; to top it off; everyone knows that a Starship's Captain is 'married' to their ship and cannot compromise their concentration on keeping their crew and ship safe/together by allowing themselves to get caught up in a relationship which might just compromise the Captain's ability to make the tough decisions.


Besides that; it's clear from earlier episodes, that Seven is aware that she and the Doctor aren't going to happen, and that she sees Chakotay as the person "to explore her growing humanity" with.


As for their relationship being "too quick"... I gather nobody has heard of "love at first sight", or been in a relationship that - once the first move was made, developed at breakneck pace... though when you're living it out, it seems as though every minute is an hour and every hour is a day, so only retrospective observation allows true assessment of how quickly things can in fact morph from a state of workman like respect into excitement filled anticipation of being in someone's presence.


I would have appreciated a follow up movie/special that dealt with 'post Voyager's return to Earth' developments to see what the producers/writers deemed as the future for Seven and Chakotay (as well as the rest of Voyager's crew), but it didn't happen and it appears it never will... but, I certainly don't count myself as a viewer who thought Chakotay/Seven was something worthy of questioning. I've seen far stranger relationships in real life appear even faster!!!


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pyromarshall

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Report this Jan. 12 2013, 12:46 pm

they needed more time then they were given to develope the story with them

Kira Nerys

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Report this Jan. 13 2013, 7:10 am

I don't think it works very well. It seemed to me more like Seven experimenting with human behaviour.


And I also have to admit that I was quite happy they resolved that issue in the Voyager relaunch rather fast.

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Report this Jan. 13 2013, 11:17 am

I don't like that the writers had them get together. It was just so random that they got together. They worked alot on making alot of episodes where the Doctor and Seven did alot of things together and then they did a 180 and went with Chakotay lI, like other posters am a J/C fan. I feel that Chakotay and Janeway would have made a much better couple!

starlisa

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Report this Jan. 28 2013, 7:56 am

Quote: Steve_Criz @ Jan. 11 2013, 10:01 pm

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>Janeway and Chakotay was never going to happen, despite the occasional 'innuendo' the producers tossed in to that effect, because quite simply, the Captain having more than just a working relationship with the First Offficer would be unworkable.

>Imagine yourself being a junior officer and watching the two highest ranked officers making decisions, knowing they were also getting along in the sack... Not good from a 'real-world' leadership perspective; even if such a move satisfies the needs of some select viewers. And; to top it off; everyone knows that a Starship's Captain is 'married' to their ship and cannot compromise their concentration on keeping their crew and ship safe/together by allowing themselves to get caught up in a relationship which might just compromise the Captain's ability to make the tough decisions.

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A relationship does not have to be sexual for judgments to be compromised. All it takes is a bond.  Janeway already had a bond with Chakotay, as she did with several other crew members. In a situation where she had to choose one life over another, friendship would be enough for her to make a partial choice. To expect Janeway not to form bonds with those on her ship would be unrealistic and even cruel. They were a life time from home and, being a human woman with human needs, she would need to form an attachment with someone for her own psychological wellbeing. If she was lonely and isolated, with no one to turn to in a personal capacity for comfort or support, she would not be able to captain to the best of her ability.


So, imagining I was a lower ranking officer on the ship, no I wouldn't have a problem with Janeway and Chakotay being together. I would expect them to be professional, and discreet, and would consider their personal lives their business. It would be important to me that my captain had support so I'd actually sleep easier knowing she had someone like Chakotay to turn to. In normal situations, yes, I agree a relationship would be unwise, but Voyager's situation was by no means normal and Janeway was totally cut off from her family and friends - possibly for the rest of her life. To expect her not to bond with anyone, to be just a robot dishing out commands, is definitely to me not "real world".


It always saddens me when a Janeway/Chakotay romance is reduced to sex. If people think a relationship between them would be some kind of torrid sexual affair, then that says more about their own values than it does the characters. They would be two hardworking, professional, responsible and moral people, who took comfort and solace in each other in difficult circumstances. They would be too professional and mature to "get it on" in the ready room while in battle. To think otherwise is an insult to the characters.


I understand why J/C didn't happen in the series, and I think it was probably the best decision (the controversy of a female captain, the way getting a couple together kills tension, the concern whether the writers could write such a mature relationship) but there is no reason why they could not have got together in the end. Putting Chakotay with Seven at the very moment he could be with Janeway was a slap in the face to many viewers. That is what hurt and disappointed many fans.  

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Report this Jan. 28 2013, 10:31 pm

"two hardworking, professional, responsible and moral people, who took comfort and solace in each other in difficult circumstances".


And that's what they were. A platonic working relationship that was relaint upon the trust they placed in each other despite their intitial circumstances. Anything beyond such a relationship would have brought considerations of what "being a couple"means into the equation, and despite what I recognise as the desire of some fans for a romantic J/C relationship that could in some fairytale way transcend the sort of 'real world' considerations that must be considered by real men amd women when they enter into romantic relationships, the authors of the show had made it quite clear that even if Chakotay was willing to be there in whatever way Janeway required, she had already made the 'sacrifice' required of her to complete what had become her mission, which is why she gently yet firmly rebuffed Chakotay's 'advances' whenever he made them.


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mellowbear

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Report this Jan. 29 2013, 12:34 am

Chakotay was a strong and honor man and seven was a strong woman so i think it was a good match

starlisa

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Report this Jan. 29 2013, 3:00 am

Quote: Steve_Criz @ Jan. 28 2013, 10:31 pm

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>Fans don't always get what they want, but if they try sometimes; they get what they need...

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If fans don't get what they want, they move on. C/7 cost the franchise viewers. As for realism, Voyager wasn't that realistic. But that's one of the things I liked about the show. You knew they were going to triumph and survive - every week. It was entertainment and escapism. So, if J/C getting together in the end was a "fairytale ending" - so what? It's tv and entertainment. But even if they didn't, the point is that C/7 was a total disregard of the major shippers of the time. That's how shows like Trek end up off air. If they were consciously trying to do an ending to please every viewer, because they valued the loyalty of every fan, then they would not have paired Chakotay or Janeway with someone else knowing the huge following J/C had (and still does have).


I personally believe that C/7 was more "fairytale" like than J/C, anyway. Seven wants Chakotay, in so many ways her "first love", and she gets him, even though he had loved Janeway for years. Then we have to endure these soppy scenes with flowers and picnics. This is more unrealistic than two people who had long cared for each other getting together when circumstance allowed.  J/C would not even have had to kiss for us to understand they were going to have a future together. The backdrop had been done so well that it could merely be implied - for instance, just by a look or a hand hold.


For me, not only was C/7 unrealistic but it also damages Chakotay's character. Seven was an emotionally immature woman who was just starting to know herself. Yes, she is sexy, but part of what made her character unique was the paradox that she was sexy but effectively asexual. For a man twice her age, the ship's First Officer no less, to take advantage of her "crush" was morally questionable, even if the producers did try to make it respectable by their "future marriage". It also gives the message that the recovery of one's humanity is ultimately defined by a romantic relationship. Yes, the relationship could have worked if it had been built up, but it came out of nowhere, at least on Chakotay's part, and I was very disappointed by it. All the characters deserved better IMO.

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Report this Jan. 29 2013, 4:51 pm

I liked Seven and The Doctor as a holographic couple.

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Report this Jan. 30 2013, 9:16 am

Quote: corndogs @ Jan. 29 2013, 4:51 pm

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>I liked Seven and The Doctor as a holographic couple.

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Seven's not holographic though, so you can't really call them that.


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Report this Feb. 19 2013, 10:50 am

I kind of wanted Seven to end up with the Doctor

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Report this Feb. 22 2013, 2:31 am

Look at this


http://wlswarts.blogspot.de/2013/02/the-best-seven-of-nine-episode-human.html


 


 

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