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FleetAdmiral_BamBam

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Report this Nov. 29 2012, 6:06 pm

Quote: OtakuJo @ Nov. 29 2012, 5:57 pm

>And here's an extra tidbit for those who hate the welfare system: (I hate it-- I know it's necessary, but there's nothing more demoralising than being on a benefit.)
No, the welfare system is not necessary. And nowadays, it's no longer demoralizing - many people are very proud to get "free" handouts so that they don't have to work because some "rich" person owes it to everyone else.  If you ever met my parents - they're very proud that they've been on welfare for years and think that they're owed it because others have more money than they do.


It's a very sad situation - like a addicting drugs.

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Report this Nov. 29 2012, 6:13 pm

^ I've never met your parents but I have been on Unemployment Benefit in the past, and certainly there are some people who abuse the system. But I do know first hand how horrible it can be, because I've been there, and also seen first hand how many more jobseekers there are than jobs.


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Report this Nov. 29 2012, 6:18 pm

Quote: OtakuJo @ Nov. 29 2012, 5:57 pm

>There is documented evidence of Wal-mart executives encouraging (ie, forcing) their employees to go on welfare especially so that they can get out of having to pay a livable wage. If not for the sake of a fair go and concern for fellow humans, can I at least appeal to self-interest: Wal-mart has well enough money to pay its employees fairly, but instead is indirectly stealing from the welfare budget and therefore from taxes.
"livable wage"... "fair"....  What are the principles behind those words (outside the talking points?)


Supply and demand of workers / skills determine fair compensation.  If the going rate for sweeping the floor is $1/hour, why should the employer pay $15?  Or take the other end of a high skilled worker who gets a lot more.... (if I didn't pay my employees what their worth, they'd find work elsewhere....) it's all about supply & demand.  (And remember.... the cost of an employee is a lot higher than just that employee's salary!)


I laugh at people who keep demanding a "livable" or "fair" wage (giving people more than their services warrant, but then those same people complain very loudly when costs go up and they can't afford to buy those products.


 


Look at Subway - they have those $5 footlong sandwiches.... well, everywhere except for places where they're forced to pay a wage higher than the market calls for.


 


You can't have it both ways - if you want cheap products, then you must let the markets decide the compensation.

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Report this Nov. 29 2012, 6:21 pm

Quote: OtakuJo @ Nov. 29 2012, 6:13 pm

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>^ I've never met your parents but I have been on Unemployment Benefit in the past, and certainly there are some people who abuse the system. But I do know first hand how horrible it can be, because I've been there, and also seen first hand how many more jobseekers there are than jobs.

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Yes - there are a lot of people who don't abuse the system, but if you look at the system, it's becoming more and more corrupt all the time - and more and more people are seeking entitlements.  Why do you think it's at record levels?  Why do you think "disability" is at record levels?


I'm not saying that things aren't tough, but that doesn't justify redistribution of wealth (stealing.)  I too know what it's like to be unemployeed, but that doesn't mean I depend on the government - I plan for those events.... it's called responsibility.


Must like there are seasons (summer, fall, winter & spring), there are also economic seasons - there are times we make a lot more than others - we just need to plan.  We plant sometimes and we harvest sometimes.  And sometimes we live off the harvest.


Who knows more about a person's needs, the person or the government?  I say the person does and they should do what they need to do without the government's drug.  I trust you to meet your needs better than having the government do it.  And just think of all the money those people payed into the system.... if they weren't forced to, they'd have more that they could have saved and used during this time instead of depending on welfare. 


 


Our country has gone from "In God We Trust" to "In Government We Depend"

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Report this Nov. 29 2012, 6:29 pm

To be honest I prefer to have enough money in my pocket to buy fair trade, not necessarily having it both ways.


And with Wal-mart it isn't just not paying enough, it's encouraging employees to use the welfare system which if anything would perpetuate just that problem you are talking about.


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Report this Nov. 29 2012, 6:36 pm

Quote: OtakuJo @ Nov. 29 2012, 6:29 pm

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>To be honest I prefer to have enough money in my pocket to buy fair trade, not necessarily having it both ways.

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But how do you define "fair trade"?  When I make an agreement to sell my skills/time to another person and they pay me what we agree on, we both agree that it's fair based on the opportunity cost.  The money I receive shows a value for my time/skills and we both win.  Now if I don't provide what was contracted or the person doesn't pay based on the agreement, then that's not "fair."


 


And of course.... there are some here that say that only equal pay is "fair".... so those of us that have worked hard to increase our skills should get the same pay as those that don't work at all.  (There's actually an organization (other than OWS) that's demanding this.)

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Report this Nov. 29 2012, 6:51 pm

Quote: FleetAdmiral_BamBam @ Nov. 29 2012, 6:36 pm

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>To be honest I prefer to have enough money in my pocket to buy fair trade, not necessarily having it both ways.

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But how do you define "fair trade"?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_trade


Granted the wiki article only refers to second- and third-world, but you get the basic idea.


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Report this Nov. 29 2012, 6:56 pm

Quote: OtakuJo @ Nov. 29 2012, 6:51 pm

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>To be honest I prefer to have enough money in my pocket to buy fair trade, not necessarily having it both ways.

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But how do you define "fair trade"?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_trade

Granted the wiki article only refers to second- and third-world, but you get the basic idea.

Yes... I'm familiar with international "fair trade" idea... basically redistribution of wealth to the poorer countries by overpaying for products.


I've never believed in giving preferential treatment to anyone.

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Report this Nov. 29 2012, 10:32 pm

I was fine till they started attacking my favorite grocery store.


 


I believe their adds are lying about my fav store, and that makes me mad.


 


but I already dont buy food at walmart... occasional dry goods, but never meat or dairy.. there is no way walmart is as clean or strict as my fav store.


 


but I will still shop at walmart

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Report this Nov. 30 2012, 9:47 pm

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>Oh goodness, the least of what is wrong with Walmart is that people are working during a public holiday. That is perfectly acceptable, as long as said employers get time and a half like is legally supposed to happen for people working on public holidays.

>That said, however, don't be so quick to let Walmart off the hook.

>* They outsource to sweat shops and have contributed to the problem of low-payed work conditions in the second and third world.
* They give their employees practically no benefits and actively discourage unions.
* They utterly fail to take any responsibility for the safety of night-shift employees and shoppers in the outside carparks.
* They have been caught placing dangerous waste too close to local rivers and thus poisoning the water supply.

>And if they are not at least paying their employees time and a half to work on the holidays, then they are in violation of employment regulations.

>It's a damn good thing there's no Walmart in my town.

>http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0473107/

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In most countries there's no legal right to extra pay for working on a public holiday. Nor is there even a legal right to any actual time off on a public holiday. It all comes down to your individual employment contract.

Betting that :

- you don't have to work on weekends or public holidays in your job if you have one

- you work a 9 - 5 job if you have one.

Those countries work forces need

- more people in unions and those unions to fight for their rights to be paid fairly for overtime and work on weekends and public holidays and for working unsociable hours.

 


You bet incorrectly. What do I get for winning?


Trade unions kill jobs. I feel sorry for people who live in countries where unions still have too much power.

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Report this Dec. 02 2012, 5:21 pm

Walmart is one of the few stores that you can feel safe when shoplifting.

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Report this Dec. 02 2012, 5:32 pm

Quote: DS9TREK @ Nov. 30 2012, 9:47 pm

>Trade unions kill jobs. I feel sorry for people who live in countries where unions still have too much power.
Unions are the Orion Syndicate of Earth.


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Report this Dec. 02 2012, 5:32 pm

Quote: K0rN99 @ Dec. 02 2012, 5:21 pm

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>Walmart is one of the few stores that you can feel safe when shoplifting.

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You must be speaking from experience.

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Report this Dec. 02 2012, 10:30 pm

Quote: FleetAdmiral_BamBam @ Dec. 02 2012, 5:32 pm

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>Trade unions kill jobs. I feel sorry for people who live in countries where unions still have too much power.
Unions are the Orion Syndicate of Earth.


That would be the Mafia.


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Report this Dec. 03 2012, 8:15 am

Quote: OtakuJo @ Dec. 02 2012, 10:30 pm

Quote: FleetAdmiral_BamBam @ Dec. 02 2012, 5:32 pm

Quote: DS9TREK @ Nov. 30 2012, 9:47 pm

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>Trade unions kill jobs. I feel sorry for people who live in countries where unions still have too much power.
Unions are the Orion Syndicate of Earth.

That would be the Mafia.

No difference - same playbook.

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