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Beershark

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Report this Nov. 21 2012, 6:44 pm

Walmart is not the only retail outlet opening their doors Thursday evening. Many others are as well. In fact This is hardly anything new. People, great numbers of people, have worked on Thanksgiving for many years. So if we are going to boycott and protest Wallyworld, lets be fair and spread the love around. Let's protest Cracker Barrel and all the other restaurants that will be open for business. And don't you dare watch that parade or any football. Do you know how many people are forced to work those events? In fact, boycott TV all together. Let's give all those folks a day off too! Problem with that bird in the oven? Don't call that turkey help line, someone is be forced to work at the other end of line. How many convenience stores will be open in your town?


Let's lay off Walmart, please, and simply accept that this is what happens in a consumer based economy.


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OtakuJo

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Report this Nov. 21 2012, 8:59 pm

Oh goodness, the least of what is wrong with Walmart is that people are working during a public holiday. That is perfectly acceptable, as long as said employers get time and a half like is legally supposed to happen for people working on public holidays.


That said, however, don't be so quick to let Walmart off the hook.


* They outsource to sweat shops and have contributed to the problem of low-payed work conditions in the second and third world.
* They give their employees practically no benefits and actively discourage unions.
* They utterly fail to take any responsibility for the safety of night-shift employees and shoppers in the outside carparks.
* They have been caught placing dangerous waste too close to local rivers and thus poisoning the water supply.


And if they are not at least paying their employees time and a half to work on the holidays, then they are in violation of employment regulations.


It's a damn good thing there's no Walmart in my town.


 


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Beershark

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Report this Nov. 21 2012, 10:07 pm

All good points, however they are hardly alone in any of those areas as well. And to be fair, I was adressing the clamour over the deciscion to open their doors at 8pm on Thanksgiving.


That being said, I work as a security gaurd at a local hospital. My daughter works at Sam's club, part of the Walmart corperation. Her benefits are compribla to mine, which is to say "crap". However, she earns approximately $4 more an hour than I do. In fact she earns more than her mother, her brother, or her sister. She also gets a decent bonus for the holidays, something very few companies do for their employees any longer.


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OtakuJo

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Report this Nov. 22 2012, 3:18 am

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>BTW time and a half on public holidays is pretty stingy !  In my industry we got double time and a half + an extra day added to our annual leave if we were required to work on public holidays.

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Double time and a half? WOW that would be sweet.


I have often worked on holidays and not really minded because of the extra benefits, and I confess I don't really have a family to stay with. I don't know what it's like in other places but there is a law in New Zealand that says people have to get time & a half plus an extra day of their choice if they work on a public holiday like xmas etc. Mind you with the Nats still in power I don't know how long that's going to last!


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the bungalo bill

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Report this Nov. 23 2012, 1:27 pm

Quote: Beershark @ Nov. 21 2012, 6:44 pm

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>Walmart is not the only retail outlet opening their doors Thursday evening. Many others are as well. In fact This is hardly anything new. People, great numbers of people, have worked on Thanksgiving for many years. So if we are going to boycott and protest Wallyworld, lets be fair and spread the love around. Let's protest Cracker Barrel and all the other restaurants that will be open for business. And don't you dare watch that parade or any football. Do you know how many people are forced to work those events? In fact, boycott TV all together. Let's give all those folks a day off too! Problem with that bird in the oven? Don't call that turkey help line, someone is be forced to work at the other end of line. How many convenience stores will be open in your town?

>Let's lay off Walmart, please, and simply accept that this is what happens in a consumer based economy.

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Out of curiosity, have you ever actually worked for Wal-Mart?


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Report this Nov. 23 2012, 6:05 pm

Quote: OtakuJo @ Nov. 21 2012, 8:59 pm

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>Oh goodness, the least of what is wrong with Walmart is that people are working during a public holiday. That is perfectly acceptable, as long as said employers get time and a half like is legally supposed to happen for people working on public holidays.

>That said, however, don't be so quick to let Walmart off the hook.

>* They outsource to sweat shops and have contributed to the problem of low-payed work conditions in the second and third world.
* They give their employees practically no benefits and actively discourage unions.
* They utterly fail to take any responsibility for the safety of night-shift employees and shoppers in the outside carparks.
* They have been caught placing dangerous waste too close to local rivers and thus poisoning the water supply.

>And if they are not at least paying their employees time and a half to work on the holidays, then they are in violation of employment regulations.

>It's a damn good thing there's no Walmart in my town.

>http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0473107/

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In most countries there's no legal right to extra pay for working on a public holiday. Nor is there even a legal right to any actual time off on a public holiday. It all comes down to your individual employment contract.

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Report this Nov. 23 2012, 7:13 pm

Ah yes. I will say that to make people work on a public holiday without extra pay, that I would object to.


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Beershark

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Report this Nov. 28 2012, 1:12 pm

Quote: the bungalo bill @ Nov. 23 2012, 1:27 pm

Quote: Beershark @ Nov. 21 2012, 6:44 pm

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>Walmart is not the only retail outlet opening their doors Thursday evening. Many others are as well. In fact This is hardly anything new. People, great numbers of people, have worked on Thanksgiving for many years. So if we are going to boycott and protest Wallyworld, lets be fair and spread the love around. Let's protest Cracker Barrel and all the other restaurants that will be open for business. And don't you dare watch that parade or any football. Do you know how many people are forced to work those events? In fact, boycott TV all together. Let's give all those folks a day off too! Problem with that bird in the oven? Don't call that turkey help line, someone is be forced to work at the other end of line. How many convenience stores will be open in your town?

>Let's lay off Walmart, please, and simply accept that this is what happens in a consumer based economy.

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Out of curiosity, have you ever actually worked for Wal-Mart?


Irrelivent, as my post concered the big ado about them opening at 8pm on Thanksgiving. They are neither the only nor the first to do business on Thanksgiving day, forcing people to work, and , by inference, not all those working are being forced to do so. Some people actually don't mind. The other issues may or may not be legit, however I was not addressing those concerns.


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Report this Nov. 28 2012, 1:41 pm

Wal-Mart Fun Fact: In 2011 six members of the Walton family have the same net worth as the bottom 30% of American families combined.

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Report this Nov. 28 2012, 2:41 pm

Quote: Beershark @ Nov. 28 2012, 1:12 pm

>Irrelivent, as my post concered the big ado about them opening at 8pm on Thanksgiving. They are neither the only nor the first to do business on Thanksgiving day, forcing people to work, and , by inference, not all those working are being forced to do so. Some people actually don't mind. The other issues may or may not be legit, however I was not addressing those concerns.
yea... employment is a mutual agreement between employer and employee.  Since the employee is not a slave, they cannot be forced to work.  The worse that can happen is that they part ways.

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Report this Nov. 28 2012, 4:06 pm

I've Actually Seen TWO Docs About WalMart Which Expose How They treat Their Employees Like Shit. They Screw them Out of Overtime That They LEGALLY Earned, they Charge WAY TOO MUCH  for Health Coverage, They clearly Discriminate against  Women In Reguards To Promotions. They Even Have been caught Employing Illegal Immigrants In their Stores! And, YES, Let's Not Forget The Fact They Exploit Sweatshops In Asia And South and Central America. 


They Also put The Screws To the Small Communties Who Welcome them with Open arms, And Then Have their Property Values Thrown right into the toilet! And How about The CRIME That Occours in WalMart Parking lots? Do They Give a Rat's Ass About that? Should i Say something About the HARM They Do to The Environment? People need to Get Some Facts Before They Defend Such Blatant Carelessness!!!

darmokattanagra

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Report this Nov. 28 2012, 4:52 pm

"the employee is not a slave"


Being able to pick your slave master doesn't make you any less of a slave.

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Report this Nov. 29 2012, 4:56 am

Ah, America America, land of opportunities....


Luckily, i live in Belgium.


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Beershark

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Report this Nov. 29 2012, 11:25 am

Quote: Hugues @ Nov. 29 2012, 4:56 am

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>Ah, America America, land of opportunities....

>Luckily, i live in Belgium.

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And you get all the good chocolate.....


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OtakuJo

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Report this Nov. 29 2012, 5:57 pm

Any employers who believe that employment contracts should be mutually beneficial, more power to them. However in many parts of the real world, particularly with this economy, jobs are difficult to come by and this leaves employees open to the risk of exploitation. Of course Wal-mart is not the only bad company in this regard, but they are one of the worst.


And here's an extra tidbit for those who hate the welfare system: (I hate it-- I know it's necessary, but there's nothing more demoralising than being on a benefit.) There is documented evidence of Wal-mart executives encouraging (ie, forcing) their employees to go on welfare especially so that they can get out of having to pay a livable wage. If not for the sake of a fair go and concern for fellow humans, can I at least appeal to self-interest: Wal-mart has well enough money to pay its employees fairly, but instead is indirectly stealing from the welfare budget and therefore from taxes.


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