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What's the best and worst Original Series movie and what's the best and worst Next Generation movie?

fstewardiii

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Report this Feb. 17 2013, 8:04 pm

My favs are:


 


Voyage Home, Undiscovered Country and Final Frontier


First Contact


 


Not so fond of:


 


Last NG movie. was a bummer.

McTrekkin

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Report this Feb. 19 2013, 10:52 am

Best TOS: The Voyage Home


Worst TOS: The Final Frontier


Best TNG: First Contact


Worst TNG: Insurrection

Kdbtrekkin

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Report this Feb. 19 2013, 7:06 pm

I think the best Original movie is Star Trek IV The Voyage Home, the worst I would have to go with Star Trek The Motion Picture.


The best TNG movie I think is First Contact, the worst is Insurrection and or Nemesis.


"Seek freedom and become captive of your desires, seek discipline and find your liberty." Frank Herbert(Dune)

SixOfSeven05

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Report this Feb. 20 2013, 9:55 am

The Wrath of Khan, The Voyage Home, and The Search for Spock are my personal favorites of the TOS movies. The Worst, It's gotta be The Motion Picture, or The Final Frontier. Next Generation, It's Gotta be First Contact. Insurrection, Generations, and Nemesis *gag*, I Can never sit through an entire screening of those.


 

T'Paul

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Report this Mar. 03 2013, 9:37 pm

My list of TOS movies in order of best to worst:


1. Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan


2. Star Trek: The Motion Picture


3. Star Trek III: The Search for Spock


4. Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country


5. Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home


6. Star Trek V: The Final Frontier


The last three films, and much more so the final two films I listed, were way too gimmicky for me. I feel like in some scenes I'm watching the actors instead of the characters and, even worse, that seems to be what the director intended, as if the point was just to exploit fame and past successes. Star Trek VI managed to keep it to a level low enough that it didn't ruin the entire film. However, for Trek IV and V, it was if they were parodies of themselves. 


Star Trek III's story wasn't quite as good as the story for Trek VI, but the story it has is slightly better accomplished because it isn't quite so self-absorbed. It seems to take its job as a movie more seriously, and therefore, so do I.


Additionally, where TOS and TNG are concerned, I think some of the TV episodes surpass the movies, in excellence. Trek II is the only TOS movie I rate as high as some of my favorite TOS TV episodes.

2takesfrakes

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Report this Mar. 04 2013, 2:59 am

I completely agree that we are
"watching the actors instead of
the characters" in 4, 5 and 6 ...
As if they can't believe an
audience would actually PAY
to see their high jinks! Well,
maybe the actors think it's a
hoot, but some of us want
to be entertained by a movie
whose stars and script aren't
always winking at the audience.


T'Paul

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Report this Mar. 04 2013, 4:42 am

@TwoTakesFrakes: 


I'm glad someone agrees.


I kind of think of Trek IV and V as comedies full of inside jokes for Trekkies, instead of as true science fiction movies.

T'Paul

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Report this Mar. 04 2013, 5:25 pm

My list of TNG movies in order from best to worst:


1. Nemesis


2. First Contact


3. Insurrection


4. Generations


Nemesis is not the first good movie to flop at the box office. I sometimes wonder if it suffered because mediocre Trek movies that went before it made fans unwilling to spend money on it.


Nemesis is the only TNG movie that I rate as high or higher than the best TNG TV episodes. In fact, on a list of all Trek movies, I would rate it right up there with Wrath of Khan.


First Contact seems more on par with The Search for Spock or The Motion Picture. Insurrection and Generations follow close behind, ahead of Star Treks IV and V.

HaventGotALife

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Report this Mar. 04 2013, 6:05 pm

Best of TOS Movies:


Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan--I enjoy rich themes and shedding a light on a topic that makes me think. The correlation between technology and military uses (the most recent being unmanned drones). The movie touches on this with Khan, the super-human creation from being able to pick genes, and Genisis, that could be used to kill all your enemies and recolonized in "6 minutes." Just beautiful. As for the characters: Spock's peace (where he was not during the last film, even cries) and his gift to the Enterprise, death. Kirk's search for peace and purpose, and finding it when Spock dies. "Young. I feel young." And exploring who Kirk was without having to show us in a flashback, what makes him tick, because of dealing with the cadets. Turning a no-win scenario into living is a theme that all the other topics focuses on. And it's a cool bad guy trying to beat Kirk, too. The best and it's not even close. 


Worst of the TOS Movies:


Star Trek III: The Search for Spock--this ruins II. Kirk, from this point on, isn't just trying to escape death and no-win scenarios. He is doing whatever he pleases. The humor in it is campy, and not my taste. It is well-executed, but I just don't like it. 


 


Best of the TNG Movies: 


Star Trek: Insurrection--The idea that, in order to do a lot of good, we have to do a little bad and work with people we don't agree with, is a powerful one. In our world today, it happens every time we use heating oil or fill up a tank of gas. And all our goods are brought to us using oil. For Star Trek to do that, to have Picard do what we want to do to the Middle East, but can't, is astounding. Rich theme again. As for the characters, Picard is using his brain. Someone says he "dances the mambo," it lets him know that he's changed by the planet--deduction. The same when he's trying to capture Data--"He can fly a ship. He can anticipate tactical strategies. Clearly, his brain is functioning." Star Trek: Deep Space Nine gave me enough of the Alpha Quadrant in peril. This is a movie where no one is physically in danger--the Enterprise, the universe, or Earth. A unique principle and it gets hammered by fans because of it. It's a value--the Star Trek universe's ideals--that are in danger. And for Geordi to give up his eyes for those values--perfect. Data learns to be a child, something he has never experienced. That means he has to play. That's why he's in a hay stack. A very underrated version of Trek. 


 


The Worst of the TNG Movies: 


Star Trek: First Contact--I know everyone will kill me in here for this, but I hate this movie. The whole purpose of the Borg is that you can't reason with them. You can't negotiate a peace. They don't know they are evil, they think that this is perfection. 1) I hate the Borg Queen, even though there is a cultural exchange as Data is being assimilated. 2.) You tell Zephram Cochrane exactly who he is going to be. What if we did that to George Washington? Martin Luther King? It takes all the fun, and anxiety, out of living. I cannot stand that! By a large margin, this is my least favorite Star Trek movie, all 11 (soon to be 12) of them. 


Its stories are about the depth and complexity of human interaction and relationships. It studies us and asks us to look within ourselves, to relate, to ask how would we respond to all that is in their world?

T'Paul

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Report this Mar. 04 2013, 8:25 pm

This is my full list, from best to worst:


 


1. Star Trek (2009)


2. Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan


3. Nemesis


4. Star Trek: The Motion Picture


5. First Contact


6. Star Trek III: The Search for Spock


7. Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country


8. Insurrection


9. Generations


10. Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home


11. Star Trek V: The Final Frontier


 


I am fine with the major changes to Trek history "Star Trek (2009)" made, because the story takes place in an alternate universe, so the changes aren't really permanent, and I think they help this particular movie's faster pace. In particular, the changes compliment the sense of urgency which the movie uses by adding increased emotional appeal. Additionally, while "Star Trek (2009)" is much more action oriented than we've seen in the past from Star Trek, it should be noted that Star Trek helped to invent and define the sci-fi action genre, so it's really not as much of a stretch as it may first appear. Moreover, the faster pace and constant intensity seems to lend itself better to big screen sci-fi, where there is less time to establish and explore chracter relationships and a longer sitting session for the viewer. This movie is one of the rare occaisions when a Star Trek movie hasn't suffered from poor creative vision. I can't wait for the next installment.

DonaldHagenbuch

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Report this Mar. 05 2013, 6:33 am

Many of the 'bad' movies were a result of mismanagement by Paramount. Every episode, and every movie, was intended to be a work of art. Some managed to succeed. Others failed because Paramount never learned that art loses effectiveness when you produce it like an assembly line. That being said:


Best TOS: Undiscovered Country.


Worst TOS: The Search for Spock.


Best TNG: First Contact.


Worst TNG: Generations.


 

starfan97

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Report this Mar. 28 2013, 3:30 pm

Havent seen many TOS movies, except Generations, which was my favorite one with First Contact as a close second. The one I disliked the most was Nemesis, it was a good ending i suppose, i just am still resenting the fact that Data died I guess...

Kornula

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Report this Apr. 05 2013, 12:43 am

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My list of TNG movies in order from best to worst:


1. Nemesis


2. First Contact


3. Insurrection


4. Generations


Nemesis is not the first good movie to flop at the box office. I sometimes wonder if it suffered because mediocre Trek movies that went before it made fans unwilling to spend money on it.


Nemesis is the only TNG movie that I rate as high or higher than the best TNG TV episodes. In fact, on a list of all Trek movies, I would rate it right up there with Wrath of Khan.


First Contact seems more on par with The Search for Spock or The Motion Picture. Insurrection and Generations follow close behind, ahead of Star Treks IV and V.


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You do realize Nemisis failed because its a cheap, piss poor copy of "Wrath of Khan' right?

CountJohn

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Report this Apr. 05 2013, 7:54 am

TOS movies-


1.Wrath of Khan


2.The Voyage Home


3.The Search for Spock


4.The Undiscovered Country


5.The Final Frontier


6.The Motion Picture


TNG Movies


1.First Contact


2.Nemesis


3.Generations


4.Insurrection

Holo

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Report this Apr. 25 2013, 1:29 pm

I'm just going to rank them all together:


 


The Wrath of Khan


The Undiscovered Country (my personal favorite, though TWOK is objectively better)


The Motion Picture


The Voyage Home


First Contact


Star Trek XI


Generations


The Search for Spock


Insurrection


Nemesis


The Final Frontier

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