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What's the best and worst Original Series movie and what's the best and worst Next Generation movie?

Vger23

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Report this Dec. 31 2012, 8:56 am

Quote: kayverse @ Dec. 28 2012, 3:55 pm

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>I've only seen the TOS movies so I can only post an opinion on that.

>The best movie in my opinion was Wrath of Khan but my personal favourite is a tie between Search for Spock and the Voyage Home.

>The worst (and I thought all the movies were good so this is like a really good worst if that makes sense) was the Motion Picture, in my opinion. Perhaps I don't have enough patience but it just felt like it went on and on and on. Just my opinion :3

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Have you seen the director's edition DVD of The Motion Picture?


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Report this Jan. 01 2013, 2:39 pm

I'd say the best Original Star Trek movie would The Wrath Of Khan, which I first watched when I was about 11, and the worst being Star Trek: The Motion Picture. As for The Next Generation, I really liked Insurrection and I think the worst was Nemesis.

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Report this Jan. 01 2013, 5:34 pm

Worst: The Motion Picture


Best: The Wrath of Khan


 


 


Worst: Insurrection


Best: Generations

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Report this Jan. 02 2013, 7:43 pm

Let the firestorm begin:
TOS:

Best: The Final Frontier (my personal fav)


Worst: The Wrath of Khan


TNG:

Best: Can't decide between Generations or Insurrection

Worst: First Contact


 


>I think TFF, although it has its quirks, is the best TOS film. Shatner presents us with a very interesting, intellectual, and philosophical idea which had not really been addressed in the Star Trek universe yet. The mixture of belief and skepticism, to me, is amazing. Also, it accomplished this with great humor! "Hold your horse, captain", "Hey Bones, mind if we drop in for dinner?". Priceless! 

>Wrath of Khan is the worst TOS. Personally, the whole idea of revenge doesn't appeal to me. If you do that in a story, it has to be absoutely perfect. I thought the plot and the characters were weak. 


>This film is the start of when the franchise veered off from the idea of "to explore strange new worlds, to seek out new life forms and civilizations, to boldly go where no man/one has gone before". This idea is what made Star Trek unique. If I don't see that, it isn't true Star Trek in my eyes, it's just an ordinary Sci Fi. That's why I like TFF, Generations, and Insurrection. In TFF, a new concept, a new world, with a new lifeform. In Generations, a new concept, a new place. In Insurrection, a new concept, a new world, a new lifeform.

>Insurrection was good because of the reasons stated above. 

>Generations was good because of the idea of The Nexus, and it shows how people waste their lives away chasing happiness (Picard and Kirk with family issues, Soran wasting his life trying to get to The Nexus).



>First Contact was weak I think. Don't get me wrong, The Borg and Cochrane are cool and all, but in the end, it didn't leave an impression on me.

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Report this Jan. 05 2013, 10:57 am

I don't think that's the theme of Generations at all. Dispite GEN being a weak movie, the theme of the film was very good (and very CLEAR), as it was spelled out right in the dialogue:


"Chreish every moment, because it will never come again."


and


"Our mortality is what defines us...it's part of the truth of our existance."


THOSE were the themes of the film, and they were very Star Trek friendly themes in my opinion. It certainly wasn't about "wasting your life to find happiness." That's balony! If anything, it was about hollow pursuits of ARTIFICIAL happiness. 

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Report this Jan. 05 2013, 3:37 pm

The 'best' Original Series movie would definitely have to be the 2009 film.  The last few movies are okay, but don't even get me started on the first three.  Well, actually I really hate Wrath of Khan.  There are just too many stupid mistakes, the most notable of Khan and Chekov.


As for TNG, I have yet to finish the series (I'm sorry, but I'm only 17!  We're on season 3, I think.  Doctor Crusher was just reassigned to the Enterprise from Starfleet Medical a few episodes ago.)


 

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Report this Jan. 05 2013, 6:50 pm

Quote: Trekker95 @ Jan. 05 2013, 3:37 pm

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>The 'best' Original Series movie would definitely have to be the 2009 film.  The last few movies are okay, but don't even get me started on the first three.  Well, actually I really hate Wrath of Khan.  There are just too many stupid mistakes, the most notable of Khan and Chekov.

>As for TNG, I have yet to finish the series (I'm sorry, but I'm only 17!  We're on season 3, I think.  Doctor Crusher was just reassigned to the Enterprise from Starfleet Medical a few episodes ago.)

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Khan recognizing Checkov wasn't a mistake. Just because Checkov isn't SHOWN until the second season in no way means he wasn't somewhere on the ship in the first. 


 


Also, if "stupid mistakes" are going to cause you to hate something, you may as well stop watching right now. Trek is filled with mistakes. 


 


But, seriously, welcome to Star Trek!


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Report this Jan. 06 2013, 3:19 pm

Star Trek: Insurrection is the worst TNG movie in my opinion. It should have been about the Enterprise-E role in the Dominion War. Anybody agree?


The movie conveniently took place hidden back in that "briar patch" thing since an interstellar war was going on at the time, but they didn't want the movie to be about it obviously. In other words, The Briar Patch was a plot device to make Insurrection about something besides the Dominon War. That would have been very difficult in open space.


 

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Report this Jan. 07 2013, 5:02 pm

Quote: UninvitedGuest @ Jan. 06 2013, 3:19 pm

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>Star Trek: Insurrection is the worst TNG movie in my opinion. It should have been about the Enterprise-E role in the Dominion War. Anybody agree?

>The movie conveniently took place hidden back in that "briar patch" thing since an interstellar war was going on at the time, but they didn't want the movie to be about it obviously. In other words, The Briar Patch was a plot device to make Insurrection about something besides the Dominon War. That would have been very difficult in open space.

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Yes, Insurrection was the weakest film in he franchise. 


That said, I definitely don't think it should have been about the dominion war. There was a whole series devoted to that. A movie on the same topic would have done nothing for the franchise. 


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Report this Jan. 08 2013, 3:15 pm

The Dominion War was going on at the same time the movie was released, so it would have made perfect sense in Star Trek terms to see it from the TNG point of view.


The only other alternative was for the Enterprise-E to "hide" the entire movie which is one of the reasons Insurrection wasn't very good. I guess you'd prefer that they "hide" somewhere else besides the briar patch? lol


 

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Report this Jan. 08 2013, 4:05 pm

I think it would've been cool if both elements of this discussion were incorporated into Insurrection. Let's say, in the beginning of the movie, the Enterprise is dispatched to some remote area like the Briar Patch, to deal with a similar issue as the Baku and the Sona. However, later in the movie, they discover they were sent out of the picture as part of a conspiracy in the Federation surrounding the Dominian War. The Enterprise leaves and takes part in it or something..
That might be too similar to Star Trek VI, but it's a good idea.

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Report this Jan. 09 2013, 3:28 pm

Quote: UninvitedGuest @ Jan. 08 2013, 3:15 pm

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>The Dominion War was going on at the same time the movie was released, so it would have made perfect sense in Star Trek terms to see it from the TNG point of view.

>The only other alternative was for the Enterprise-E to "hide" the entire movie which is one of the reasons Insurrection wasn't very good. I guess you'd prefer that they "hide" somewhere else besides the briar patch? lol

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I don't give a rat's ass what was going on on TV. The goal when you make a major motion picture is to tell a good story, not to be restricted by events that are going on concurrently on a TV series. It's a big galaxy. Obviously, at that time, the Enterprise E was not involved in fighting the war. And, Paramount and the Powers That Be weren't going to have two "war" stories going on simultaneously. 


Insurrection was bad, but it wasn't bad because the Enterprise wasn't on the front lines of the Dominion War somewhere. It was bad because it had a weak, wattered down story. I think it's odd that the reason you say the movie was "bad" was simply because it didn't have a plot focused on a point you thought it should have focused on. It was "bad" because it was poorly written. Period. 


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Report this Jan. 09 2013, 5:21 pm

Quote: Vger23 @ Jan. 09 2013, 3:28 pm

Quote: UninvitedGuest @ Jan. 08 2013, 3:15 pm

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>The Dominion War was going on at the same time the movie was released, so it would have made perfect sense in Star Trek terms to see it from the TNG point of view.

>The only other alternative was for the Enterprise-E to "hide" the entire movie which is one of the reasons Insurrection wasn't very good. I guess you'd prefer that they "hide" somewhere else besides the briar patch? lol

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I don't give a rat's ass what was going on on TV. The goal when you make a major motion picture is to tell a good story, not to be restricted by events that are going on concurrently on a TV series. It's a big galaxy. Obviously, at that time, the Enterprise E was not involved in fighting the war. And, Paramount and the Powers That Be weren't going to have two "war" stories going on simultaneously. 

Insurrection was bad, but it wasn't bad because the Enterprise wasn't on the front lines of the Dominion War somewhere. It was bad because it had a weak, wattered down story. I think it's odd that the reason you say the movie was "bad" was simply because it didn't have a plot focused on a point you thought it should have focused on. It was "bad" because it was poorly written. Period. 



Yes that Star Trek:Insurrection plot about the "country christian people" was stupid too. lol


It's just that I thought the DS9 Dominion War arc was the best thing that ever happened to Star Trek. If a significant portion of Insurrection had taken place out in open space, a Dominion War storyline would have been almost unavioidable at least for a sub-plot. But I guess Paramount figured that a lot of casual-viewers at the theater wouldn't know what the "Dominion War" was in the first place.




 



 

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Report this Jan. 10 2013, 2:56 am

Quote: Vger23 @ Jan. 09 2013, 6:28 pm


"Insurrection was bad, but it wasn't bad because the Enterprise wasn't on the front lines of the Dominion War somewhere. It was bad because it had a weak, wattered down story. I think it's odd that the reason you say the movie was "bad" was simply because it didn't have a plot focused on a point you thought it should have focused on. It was "bad" because it was poorly written. Period."
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Period!!


 


yeah, INS was bad tho.

but DS9 had it going on!






 


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Report this Jan. 10 2013, 9:23 am

The best TOS movie probably Wrath of Khan the worse maybe TFF I guess.  The best TNG movie First Contact and worst Generations.

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