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The Last Enterprise

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Report this Jan. 09 2013, 2:27 am

Quote: QfromtheContinuum @ Nov. 22 2012, 4:47 pm

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>WHY DID KIRK HAVE TO DIE??!?!?!?!?

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Well, I don't know. But I think that he should have an end, not only the end of his life, but also an end of his tiring trek though the galaxy. He should have the rights to relax and to enjoy. We audience or fans shouldn't demand him to have more difficult things happening on him. It's cruel. So his death is a good thing to him, including his mind.


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2takesfrakes

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Report this Mar. 01 2013, 3:32 am

Characters "dying" in STAR TREK & "returning"
from the grave, is the one aspect of this franchise
that I really do despise. How can I care if Kirk dies,
knowing that a future movie, or T.V. show will bring
him back? Or if they blow up a ship, or an entire planet,
when some "alternative" timeline, or another "Warp
Ten Around the Sun" will set everything right?


leroybrock

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Report this Mar. 01 2013, 8:12 am

I think that most people would agree that they're not really angry that Kirk died. Death is the destiny of each living being. The real point of irritation was the manner in which he died. Even Malcolm McDowell, the film's villian, said that it was a waste.

Personally I just pretend to myself that Kirk and Picard, having once been in the Nexus will always be there in the Nexus.

I Am Ultra Narcissus.

guillermo.mejía

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Report this Mar. 01 2013, 11:49 am

My biggest problem is how Picard left him there under some rocks on a lifeless barren planet.


Yeah, you can argue that he was giving him an honest and humble burial, but that's JAMES T. KIRK. That's like finding J.F.K., then he dies and you decide it's better to bury him someone and not tell anyone what happened.


Maybe Picard didn't wanna mess with history cause everyone already thought Kirk was dead. Well guess what, he scolded Krk when Kirk said "Who am I to argue with history?" AND Picard said it before....that truth was the essential duty, and even the guiding principle, of a Starfleet officer. So not telling the truth about Kirk is kind of....a dick move Picard.

2takesfrakes

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Report this Mar. 01 2013, 12:38 pm

The makers of GENERATIONS were smart,
in that Picard has no dialogue about it,
no immediate next-scene taking place. He's
on the bridge of ENTERPRISE looking around
and an argument can be made, either way,
about what was reported or discussed, about
Kirk's death and burial. Guinan knew, of course.
But honestly, I think they were just going for
"epic" and didn't really care about all that ...


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Report this Mar. 01 2013, 3:47 pm

Quote: aprilgt555 @ Jan. 07 2013, 8:50 am

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>Generations wasn't the best but for the most part it was entertaining and a true tre movie, a little action, a little comedy and sci-fi ! Not like this new crap they call star trek -.-

I couldn't agree more! I'm sick of this new Trek already. It doesn't even feel like Star Trek anymore.


 


Get over it, both of you. The new version / vision of Trek is closer to the original vision than any of the sterile, derivitive stuff that came after (with the exception of DS9).


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Report this Mar. 02 2013, 1:06 am

Quote: guillermo.mejía @ Mar. 01 2013, 11:49 am

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>My biggest problem is how Picard left him there under some rocks on a lifeless barren planet.

>Yeah, you can argue that he was giving him an honest and humble burial, but that's JAMES T. KIRK. That's like finding J.F.K., then he dies and you decide it's better to bury him someone and not tell anyone what happened.

>Maybe Picard didn't wanna mess with history cause everyone already thought Kirk was dead. Well guess what, he scolded Krk when Kirk said "Who am I to argue with history?" AND Picard said it before....that truth was the essential duty, and even the guiding principle, of a Starfleet officer. So not telling the truth about Kirk is kind of....a dick move Picard.

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not to mention that leaving Kirks body there could have violated the prime directive.


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2takesfrakes

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Report this Mar. 18 2013, 6:53 pm

The burial, especially considering that
it was under a pile of loose rocks, may
have been meant to suggest that it was
only temporary. Something had to be done
... I mean ... couldn't just leave it in a
a pile of junk and twisted metal. I think
the burial was fitting and dignified ...


and they probably reburied him, elsewhere.


guillermo.mejía

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Report this Mar. 19 2013, 5:16 am

Quote: 2takesfrakes @ Mar. 18 2013, 6:53 pm

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>The burial, especially considering that
it was under a pile of loose rocks, may
have been meant to suggest that it was
only temporary. Something had to be done
... I mean ... couldn't just leave it in a
a pile of junk and twisted metal. I think
the burial was fitting and dignified ...

>and they probably reburied him, elsewhere.

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Fitting and dignifie would be to have the surviving crews of the Enterprise and those three other ships hold some kind of ceremony for James Kirk.


From a moviemaker standpoint, I understand perfect why he was left there. It's a pretty visual, and this is a TNG movie, so you don't want Kirk hogging the spotlight. ut it's just Kirk... the original capain. Branon Braga, who wrote this movie, is not a TOS man. He has said so when discussing why ENTERPRISE failed. Hence he didn't seem to understand why it was so....bad to just have the final chronilogical reference of James T. Kirk to be dead and burried on an unknown uninhabited planet under some rocks.


Again, even in story, it really doesn't look like Picard's intention was to bring he body back. He clearly pulled it out from the bridge. Why bury him if he planned to bring him along later? I stand by my earlier comment and say this was not a fitting and dignifie end for James T. Kirk.


"Aye. And if my grandmother had wheels she'd be a wagon." - Scotty, The Miracle Worker since 2265.

2takesfrakes

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Report this Mar. 19 2013, 2:59 pm

You may have a point, guillermo.mejía.
I mean, look at Kirk's introduction in
WRATH of KHAN: he was almost godlike ...
fingers of light radiating out from him, in
all directions ... smoke rising. Clearly, he's
a big deal in this franchise. BUT ... Spock
had a dignified sendoff with full, military
honours ... maybe repeating that would've
been a faux pas STAR TREK wanted to avoid.


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