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Wesley Crusher.

Broadstorm

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Report this Jan. 07 2013, 9:11 pm

I think the idea was okay, but heavily overdone.  They could very easily have had 1 of the major characters have a child on board without also making the child a major character.  They could have just had him in enough episodes to show that these ships can now carry families.

Maria
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Report this Jan. 08 2013, 3:38 pm

Quote: Broadstorm @ Jan. 07 2013, 9:11 pm

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>I think the idea was okay, but heavily overdone.  They could very easily have had 1 of the major characters have a child on board without also making the child a major character.  They could have just had him in enough episodes to show that these ships can now carry families.

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I think you missed the point of Wesley's role in the show. it had (in my opinion) very little to do with "Showing that these ships can now carry families". if that had been the case, they WOULD have only shown him a few times to make the point. I think that, though he wasn't a particularly deep character (At least not compared to some of the other characters in TNG) he helped to deepen  captain picard's , dr crushers, data's, and many other characters by showing sides of them that would not have otherwise been seen. not only that, i feel he added a little diversity to the average star trek crew in that he was somewhat different then the normal male star trek characters that had been done so far. i feel he was very important to the depth of the show in general and I'm glad they used him the way they did.


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Report this Jan. 08 2013, 4:40 pm

Quote: Maria "Mona"_LonelyAngel1997 @ Jan. 08 2013, 3:38 pm

Quote: Broadstorm @ Jan. 07 2013, 9:11 pm

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>I think the idea was okay, but heavily overdone.  They could very easily have had 1 of the major characters have a child on board without also making the child a major character.  They could have just had him in enough episodes to show that these ships can now carry families.

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I think you missed the point of Wesley's role in the show. it had (in my opinion) very little to do with "Showing that these ships can now carry families". if that had been the case, they WOULD have only shown him a few times to make the point. I think that, though he wasn't a particularly deep character (At least not compared to some of the other characters in TNG) he helped to deepen  captain picard's , dr crushers, data's, and many other characters by showing sides of them that would not have otherwise been seen. not only that, i feel he added a little diversity to the average star trek crew in that he was somewhat different then the normal male star trek characters that had been done so far. i feel he was very important to the depth of the show in general and I'm glad they used him the way they did.


What I meant was that if they had done it that way, then there would have been less chance of having him repeatedly upstage the crew of StarFleet's flagship.

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Report this Jan. 08 2013, 5:10 pm

I remember on the second episode "The Naked Now" they acted like Wesley saved the ship at the end of the episode. Even though he was the one that caused most of the problem in the first place.

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Report this Jan. 08 2013, 6:04 pm

I think the biggest problem with the character of wesley was the fact that it seemed clear that there was no real role for him on the ship. I always had the impression that after the show had been designed and plotted  some studio exec said "Hey, make sure they put a kid in the show, we need the younger demographics"....and so Wesley was born. Or maybe roddenberry demanded it but for whatever reason, they put a child in the cast of what I consider to be the most adult of the trek incarnations. It was not a good idea. 


Also, it was the 80's, I dont remember any shows writing kids particularily well. Most kids in most shows at the time were basically perfect. While there were some notable exceptions to this, Wesley Crusher was not one of them. the only thin justification for his role on the show was that it did make sense from a plot point of view to have a character on the bridge who was not a fully fledged starfleet officer so that the characters could explain why they did what they did to wesley(i.e. the audience). What i kind of find funny is that when wesley was not around they did that routine with Worf, who would always suggest the wrong kind of action in the briefing room and so picard or somebody would have to correct him while simultaniously giving the audience the moral lesson of the show. They also did this pretty routinely with data as well. 


so anyway, I dont think wesley was neccessarily a bad character, just not a good fit for a cast that was already large and for a show that was generally serious. we are just lucky it wasnt an animatronic teddy bear or something. As for wil wheaton, I dont think its fair to judge child actors the same way we judge adult ones, having said that he was bad in some scenes, but at times (particuarly in later episodes) he was really good. I will say that by the end I would have hoped for something a little more definative about what happened to the character. I know they put him in (and cut him out of) nemesis, but after 30 minutes of that film i didnt really care anymore about what happened to anyone. 


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Report this Feb. 22 2013, 9:34 pm

Honestly, I cannot understand why everyone dislikes Wesley, but perhaps that's just me. Of course we all like to poke fun at him every now and again. "Shut up Wesley!"


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Report this Feb. 26 2013, 7:05 pm

Wesley's being The Next Step in our Evolution
just summed up this sort of aggrandizing of
the character on this show that bothered so
many of the fans. He was such a nice kid and
so wholesome and smart ... this is enough to
make anyone hate a character! But, personally,
I sympathized with Wil Wheaton and I loved his
performances from the movies he did before this.
He had talent and likeability. I think Roddenberry
felt that Wesley was his vehicle to "connect" with
the kids in the audience, to push his message on.


Maybe he overdid it.


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Report this Mar. 01 2013, 8:42 pm

I loved Wesley Crusher. In my opinion he was a great character. Cute too. 


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Report this Mar. 25 2013, 4:46 pm

i was pretty young when i first started to wach star trek, and Wesley is one of the main reasons i stuck with tng, so, he may have been annoying, but he did, and still does help draw in younger crowds, also, i always thought that he embodied the idea of the enterprise d being a "family's ship".

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Report this Mar. 26 2013, 5:38 pm

Whiz kids have been part of other sci-fi shows.  "Lucas" from SeaQuestDSV comes to mind - the whiz kid that invented a means for Darwin, a dolphin, to "talk" with humans. His character was allowed to develop, and in spite of a couple of episodes where he showed the "whiney teenage angst" that so many people find distasteful, the show developed Lucas' character much better than Wesley Crusher's.  


That whole thing with the Traveler could have (should have?) gone much farther than it did.  That could've been pretty awesome.  Perhaps the producers couldn't agree on where to take it from there, so we just never heard from Wesley again.  I don't even recall any mention of him in the subsequent movies after he left with the Traveler to explore other dimensions of reality or whatever.


 


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Report this Mar. 27 2013, 5:44 am

Maybe people keep hating Wesley, because they were not as smart as him when they were children and so they're just jealous?

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Report this Mar. 27 2013, 5:20 pm

i thought wesley was a good charactor,  he was just young and computer geek


 

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Report this Mar. 30 2013, 7:56 am

When they made him leave in the fourth seaon, they lost the ability to develop the character. They had a real potential with the whole going from kid to teenager to adult growing up thing but when they made him leave they couldnt develop the character. Although we do see a different side of the character in the episode "First Duty" when he decided to listen ti Nick Lacarno and lie about doing the Starburst manuever. I was kind of dissapointed to see himleave the show as a regular. Although I definately understand why people didnt like him.

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Report this Apr. 02 2013, 3:08 pm

I'm pretty much indifferent to him. I don't hate him, but he's not one of my favorite characters. I never realised that people hated him untill I started discussing ST on the internet a few years ago. One thing I did like is the relationship with him and Picard (although that was really just an extention of the relationship with Picard and Beverly and him feeling responsible for her husband's death.)

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Report this Apr. 05 2013, 7:24 am

I like Wesley a lot(Wheaton as well), but I think the writers screwed up his character a bit. He didn't really belong anywhere and they didn't do much to fix this. I'd love if his and Picards relationship was stronger.

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