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Wesley Crusher.

Maria
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Report this Nov. 06 2012, 2:05 pm

Every one Knows That Wesley is an Unpopular Character. Though I find that many of the people who say they they hate him most (Not All of Them, Just Some Of Them) When asked can give no real reason for it. I personally Find Him to be a very endearing Character, My Favorite in fact. but I also can see why many trekkies don't feel that way. he's absolutely not your average male ST character. he's not particularly strong, (Not Physically, at least) pretty young, and, at times rather naive and Too "Sugary Sweet."  and one of the main complaints, a bit of a  "Mary Sue'.   he's no "Captain Kirk" or "William Riker". but he's also very smart,  very kind,  and, when he needs to be,  very brave and  head strong. I Find Him To Be, Though Not The Most Original character,  as much of an Original As Many other ST Characters That Aren't Nearly As Hated for unoriginality. He works as hard as anyone on the enterprise, (Harder then some) And i feel he has as much right to serve there as any of them. (More then some, *cough *"ro laren"*cough* Lol.)

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Report this Nov. 06 2012, 4:43 pm

They weren't successful with the character because they didn't know what they want of him, one time he is a childish next he's not and so on...

They either overdo the naivity of the character just look at today's generation smoking and drink alchohol,drugs and so forth  and they're certainly not naive in the sense that character was i mean they shoot them selves,they  gather on groups and beat them selves, stab them selves

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Report this Nov. 06 2012, 4:57 pm

Quote: dreem24 @ Nov. 06 2012, 4:43 pm

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>They either overdo the naivity of the character! Just look at today's generation. They smoke and drink alchohol, do drugs and so forth  and they're certainly not naive in the sense. I mean they shoot themselves,they  gather on groups and beat themselves, stab themselves

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Where do you live? Libya?? sure there are obviously bad ones everywhere, but not every teen is like that! plus, isn't the point of trek that people have ridden themselves of all that stuff? If you are so opposed to those qualities, why are you here???


Anyway, yeah Wesley isn't the best character. He was kind of cool the first few episodes, as he was sort of a whizkid, but after a while, he just gets on your nerves. His voice is annoying too. Still, he wasn't the worst of the bunch!


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A.J.Dembroski

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Report this Nov. 07 2012, 12:24 am

I didn't mind him later on, but early he was nothing more than a Deux Ex Machina factory. Just really poorly employed. Plus the actor has kinda turned into a douche.

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Report this Nov. 07 2012, 7:30 am

One reason Wesley is my least favorite character on the show is the way Wil Wheaton portrays him. Most child actors have limited ability to portray complexity or anything in a subtle way. Everything Wheaton does is overacted, which leads to supposedly heavy moments in which Wheaton plays a pouty Wesley or supposedly cheery moments in which Wheaton plays it so bright and hammy that it hurts my eyes. He's not a good actor, in my opinion.


Also, part of my negative feelings with the character is the way the character is used - Wesley usually out-smarts the much more experienced, qualified adults to save the day at the last minute. It's frustrating to see a bunch of characters who are supposed to be some of the best and brightest in the universe groping hopelessly in the dark for answers and some winy kid comes up with the solution with his arm tied around his back. These forced plot outcomes are not enjoyable or rewarding in any way. Of course, the writers and producers began to notice the errors of their ways and after Season 1 drastically changed this until finally writing the character out.


But Wesley isn't completely unbearable - when he's just taking orders at com or something he's perfectly fine. However, I don't find him to be an interesting, likable or relatable character by himself in the least; especially not when compared to the much superior cast of actors and characters on TNG.


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Report this Nov. 07 2012, 9:28 am

I think they would have made him more likeable IF they would have done less with his teenager annoying attitude and more with his connection to the traveler.

Maria
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Report this Nov. 07 2012, 7:12 pm

Quote: JazzTNG @ Nov. 07 2012, 7:30 am

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>One reason Wesley is my least favorite character on the show is the way Wil Wheaton portrays him. Most child actors have limited ability to portray complexity or anything in a subtle way. Everything Wheaton does is overacted, which leads to supposedly heavy moments in which Wheaton plays a pouty Wesley or supposedly cheery moments in which Wheaton plays it so bright and hammy that it hurts my eyes. He's not a good actor, in my opinion.

>Also, part of my negative feelings with the character is the way the character is used - Wesley usually out-smarts the much more experienced, qualified adults to save the day at the last minute. It's frustrating to see a bunch of characters who are supposed to be some of the best and brightest in the universe groping hopelessly in the dark for answers and some winy kid comes up with the solution with his arm tied around his back. These forced plot outcomes are not enjoyable or rewarding in any way. Of course, the writers and producers began to notice the errors of their ways and after Season 1 drastically changed this until finally writing the character out.

>But Wesley isn't completely unbearable - when he's just taking orders at com or something he's perfectly fine. However, I don't find him to be an interesting, likable or relatable character by himself in the least; especially not when compared to the much superior cast of actors and characters on TNG.

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I agree with your comments about wil wheaton, his acting was defiantly not up to TNG, or even general star trek standers. (and still isn't). I generally chalk wesley's being, as I said earlier, to "Sugery  Sweet" up to wheaton's over-acting. however that has very little to do with the writing of the character it self.


Though I can see where you are coming from about the way he is used, especially in the earlier seasons, I Can't say I Agree with you in that respect. I Don't find it at all annoying or unrealistic that he may occasionally (It Only happened a few times over the course of the series) see something the adults on the ship over looked in a particular situation, even though he may be younger and less experienced. I personally found him very likeable and  relatable, though  of course weather or not a character resonates with a viewer is based entirely on the viewer's own personality. Being 15 my self, I also Cannot agree with your description of Wesley as "some whiny kid", however I understand why you may see him that way. I find that a lot adult TNG fans do.

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Report this Nov. 07 2012, 10:29 pm

TNG never seemed that good at characterising kids -- they always came across as extra naive or immature. Wesley is no exception to that. It is difficult to define what the problem is with him, but part of that must be that while he is a teenager, he does act like a much younger kid. Like he just escaped from the Disney channel or something. It's hard to think that any youth could really be that childish or squeaky clean.


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Report this Nov. 09 2012, 4:27 pm

I think one of the reasons why I liked Wesley was because he was a kid, he wasn't perfect but he worked hard. He was different from every other Trek character, he was young and still searching for himself. Was he annoying? Yes, incredibly so! Should he have been less saint like? I think so. 


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Report this Nov. 11 2012, 9:36 am

He was poorly-written in Season 1, but so was everyone else. In Season 2 he improved a lot, because he didn't have his mother around and he actually had to do some work. By Season 3 he had become a much more acceptable audience surrogate, with his wunderkind tendencies balanced by teenage issues.


I think his best episodes came after he left the ship: The Game, The First Duty, Journey's End. The last episode would have been better if they'd dropped the Cardassian subplot and kept the focus on Wesley and the Traveller, which was always an interesting story.


The first impression was ruined by the 1950s sensibility of the writers. They tried to write Wesley as if he was a character on Leave it to Beaver. Once they got over that, I actually quite like the character.

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Report this Nov. 11 2012, 4:14 pm

^ Agreed for the most part -- aside from the bit about the Traveller (Creepy space-paedophile & worst character in all of Star Trek. The Cardassian / settler thread was actually the more bearable part of that terrible Journey's End.)


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Report this Nov. 12 2012, 10:57 am

Quote: OtakuJo @ Nov. 11 2012, 4:14 pm

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>^ Agreed for the most part -- aside from the bit about the Traveller (Creepy space-paedophile & worst character in all of Star Trek. The Cardassian / settler thread was actually the more bearable part of that terrible Journey's End.)

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I agree with you on that. I don't get why people loved him so much; I always thought he was creepy.


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Maria
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Report this Nov. 16 2012, 11:52 am

Quote: Pooneil @ Nov. 11 2012, 9:36 am

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>He was poorly-written in Season 1, but so was everyone else. In Season 2 he improved a lot, because he didn't have his mother around and he actually had to do some work. By Season 3 he had become a much more acceptable audience surrogate, with his wunderkind tendencies balanced by teenage issues.

>I think his best episodes came after he left the ship: The Game, The First Duty, Journey's End. The last episode would have been better if they'd dropped the Cardassian subplot and kept the focus on Wesley and the Traveller, which was always an interesting story.

>The first impression was ruined by the 1950s sensibility of the writers. They tried to write Wesley as if he was a character on Leave it to Beaver. Once they got over that, I actually quite like the character.

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Report this Jan. 07 2013, 9:43 am

I don't know why people hate Wesley. I love him so much! Even more as he gets older. I love "The Game" Wesley. And of course I LOVE "Journey's End" Wesley. Sure he was being a douche, but I can make excuses for him. And he was so hot too... Yeah, I can make excuses as to why I will always love him. Maybe I was too young to care when I first started watching it, but the things people complain about when it comes to Wesley I never understood. Has always been awesome to me. I didn't want him to leave and almost cried in "Final Mission" at the tender moments of him and Picard at the end. I always thought it should have came out that he was Picard's son. A girl can dream can't she?

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Report this Jan. 07 2013, 12:24 pm

I think it's hilarious how Wesley Crusher was always made out to be an exceptionally "handsome young man" even though he was slightly below-average in looks.

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