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Somniac

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Report this Dec. 14 2012, 9:35 am

Quote: Vger23 @ Dec. 14 2012, 5:53 am

Quote: Somniac @ Dec. 14 2012, 4:13 am

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>Raven_CWG  Couldn't have said it better myself.

>Take no notice of apologists bleating about you being elitist, insulting..blah blah.

>Just defensive reactions from an indefensible position.

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No, just people who don't like hipocritical high-horse jerks, actually.

It always amuses me when people like you stomp around like you're above everything and put down the opinions and tastes of others, and then you act all shocked when people think you're acting like a doooosh. It's really hipocritical to preach and drone on and on about how your tastes and preferences are somehow superior to most and then claim to be (in essence) a "real" Star Trek fan...when your very behavior and attitudes indicate that you miss the entire FUNDAMENTAL point of the franchise about tolerance and diversity of thought.

 

Different opinions are not only welcome, they're NECESSARY to a board like this to have any value. But don't be so small and insecure that you feel the need to come off like an arrogant goonball. Gotta give respect to get it.

 


I don't want or need your respect thanks anyway.


I am never shocked by anything I read on here. Least of all from your good self.


If you are going to post big letters, make sure you read them yourself.


hYpocritical not


hIpocritical.


I guess you were so flustered, you missed it.


I'll "come off" however I like.


 


 


 


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Vger23

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Report this Dec. 14 2012, 10:23 am

Quote: Somniac @ Dec. 14 2012, 9:35 am

Quote: Vger23 @ Dec. 14 2012, 5:53 am

Quote: Somniac @ Dec. 14 2012, 4:13 am

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>

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>Raven_CWG  Couldn't have said it better myself.

>Take no notice of apologists bleating about you being elitist, insulting..blah blah.

>Just defensive reactions from an indefensible position.

>

 

No, just people who don't like hipocritical high-horse jerks, actually.

It always amuses me when people like you stomp around like you're above everything and put down the opinions and tastes of others, and then you act all shocked when people think you're acting like a doooosh. It's really hipocritical to preach and drone on and on about how your tastes and preferences are somehow superior to most and then claim to be (in essence) a "real" Star Trek fan...when your very behavior and attitudes indicate that you miss the entire FUNDAMENTAL point of the franchise about tolerance and diversity of thought.

 

Different opinions are not only welcome, they're NECESSARY to a board like this to have any value. But don't be so small and insecure that you feel the need to come off like an arrogant goonball. Gotta give respect to get it.

 

I don't want or need your respect thanks anyway.

I am never shocked by anything I read on here. Least of all from your good self.

If you are going to post big letters, make sure you read them yourself.

hYpocritical not

hIpocritical.

I guess you were so flustered, you missed it.

I'll "come off" however I like.

 

 

 


Well I guess you told me!! I misspelled a word. How embarassing!



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WkdYngMan

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Report this Dec. 15 2012, 3:45 am

Quote: Somniac @ Dec. 14 2012, 4:13 am

>Just defensive reactions from an indefensible position.


^ Like this?

Somniac

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Report this Dec. 15 2012, 4:24 am


 


 


At last! I have found the intellectual level necessary to communicate.


 


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darmokattanagra

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Report this Dec. 15 2012, 1:33 pm

"look no further than Superman, Batman, & other comic book heroes – how many incarnations they have gone through"


For me, that is part of the problem. I see Star Trek becoming yet another action movie franchise that does a trilogy and then reboots. Spider-Man and X-Men have both been rebooted, there is already talk of rebooting Batman and the Superman reboot is due out next year.


I'd love to be as optimistic as some of you are about the future of the franchise but I think it's naive to assume that this reboot will lead to anything more than another reboot. I hope we do get more Enterprise or a new series set after Voyager but I really don't think that will happen.

OtakuJo

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Report this Dec. 15 2012, 4:17 pm

The thing is that you could also look at many other characters as proof that, yes, stories and characters can survive subsequent re-definitions. It is not naive at all -- while I can respect that people's adverse reaction to the new characters (I had the same reaction at first, until I really stopped to think about it) -- even if there were another reboot, it is unlikely to cause significant harm. There has been more than talk of rebooting Batman -- he has had more reboots than a centipede, and few people would argue that he has suffered for it.


Think about it. What is "your" version of Batman, Superman, or King Arthur?


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Somniac

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Report this Dec. 16 2012, 1:49 am

The "reboots", if that's what they are, of Batman and Superman have been faithful to the fundemental characters though.


Batman:tortured vengeful anti hero. Superman:Christ-like saviour.


I would dispute that a Spock who dallies romantically with Uhura or dumps Kirk on a hostile planet to die is faithful to his character.


I don't go for the "changed by the timeline" argument either.

Somniac

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Report this Dec. 16 2012, 5:39 am

Yes you are right about Batman and Superman being darker than in the 50's 60's. That was following a trend in the comics I guess. Batman of late is definitely Frank Miller's reboot which was a huge influence on everything else. I'm not sure it was an improvement. I like the Miller Batman but it has lost a campness that I personally enjoyed.


But I digress...


Trek is not a comic. The characters in Trek have been moulded from real human performances over many years. A drastic change in a comic character is not the same as a change in a character performed by an actor.


 


I don't actually want Uhura to cling to anyone. It would be nice if she could function as something other than a reflection of a male characters angst or lust.


It seems to me in terms of feminism, the female characters (Such as they are. If you're gonna reboot, why not have others? Nurse Chappell was the one in love with Spock anyway.) seem to have come no distance at all in ST09


The women in ST09 are sex object, room mate and sex object, Spocks Mum, Kirks Mum. That's it.


I'd like some female characters like there were in DS9 or Voyager. In that sense ST09 seems a step back, not only to the 20th century but to the first part of it.


 


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darmokattanagra

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Report this Dec. 16 2012, 1:40 pm

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>What more does Voyager need to say - I mean they're back aren't they. I think we've seen enough in the TNG/VOY/DS9 era. Don't hurt me but aside from the Dominion War what is there, seeing Riker command his own ship or Janeway in normal space doesn't excite me that much.

>And Enterprise wasn't a success. Have things change sufficiently over the years to make it one now? I'm not saying it couldn't happen, just wondering if it has.

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I didn't specifically mean a follow up to Voyager. I wouldn't have objected to more from that era but I would have preferred something like Star Trek: Federation or Star Trek: Final Frontier.


Regarding Enterprise, here are the results from the September 30, 2012 poll:


How has your perception of Star Trek: Enterprise changed over the years?

I like it more - 2269 (59%)
It hasn't changed - 1346 (35%)
I like it less - 262 (7%)

Vger23

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Report this Dec. 16 2012, 2:29 pm

Quote: darmokattanagra @ Dec. 16 2012, 1:40 pm

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>What more does Voyager need to say - I mean they're back aren't they. I think we've seen enough in the TNG/VOY/DS9 era. Don't hurt me but aside from the Dominion War what is there, seeing Riker command his own ship or Janeway in normal space doesn't excite me that much.

>And Enterprise wasn't a success. Have things change sufficiently over the years to make it one now? I'm not saying it couldn't happen, just wondering if it has.

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I didn't specifically mean a follow up to Voyager. I wouldn't have objected to more from that era but I would have preferred something like Star Trek: Federation or Star Trek: Final Frontier.

Regarding Enterprise, here are the results from the September 30, 2012 poll:

How has your perception of Star Trek: Enterprise changed over the years?

I like it more - 2269 (59%)
It hasn't changed - 1346 (35%)
I like it less - 262 (7%)


 


Again, we can all debate as fans until we are blue in the face, but the bottom line is that making major motion pictures these days is a game of appealing to a mass audience and casting as wide of a net as possible. As much as Enterprise or any of the other series may have been interesting to us, it's a fact that most non-fans wouldn't even notice (let alone care) if a film was made based on one of them, or about a new timeframe or setting in the Trek universe. 


 


I think that what we have right now, love it or hate it, is the only sustainable option. Even television seems to be a rapidly fading option because of the potential costs vs public interests. 


You can debate it, but I really believe it's this or nothing. 


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wmedjxnjr

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Report this Dec. 16 2012, 5:23 pm

While I will agree with most of what has already been posted in this stream (and will not attempt to reiterate any of it) I think what the film makers were trying to do wiht this new addition to the Trek genre was to merely entertain the masses and pull in more of an audience or perhaps prove that Star Trek still has what it takes to pull an audience and a lions share of on opening weekend.

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