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Idiosyncrasies

Dude108

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Report this Oct. 27 2012, 3:37 am

TOS: sweat
TNG: soft colors
DS9: latinum!
VYG: coffee
ENT: jump suit

Mitchz95

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Report this Oct. 27 2012, 4:48 pm

Dumb question: What's an idiosyncrasy? Is it a pet peeve?


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Dude108

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Report this Oct. 27 2012, 8:01 pm

"Idiosyncrasy" is defined as:


A mode of behavior or way of thought peculiar to an individual: "one of his idiosyncrasies was always to be first". A distinctive or peculiar feature or characteristic of a place or thing: "the idiosyncrasies of the prison system".


So, not necessarily a pet peeve, just something unique to something.

Just started re-watching TOS for the first time. Had the thought, as I did the first time through, that "Man...they sweat ALOT!"

When then led to the original question that I asked.

For TNG, the colors are always so subdued.

DS9 - latinum gets mentioned more than in any other show.

VYG - unique to this show, I just wanted to keep yelling at Janeway, "Put down the freakin' coffee!"

ENT - Blue jumpsuits. No slick uniforms. Just....jump suits.

Thats all I was getting at. Was wondering what stuck in other people's minds.

Oh...and another for TOS? "Light on the eyes." Someone REALLY really liked putting a box of light around the actors' eyes for some reason.

OtakuJo

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Report this Oct. 29 2012, 5:20 am

alright then.


TOS = Super bright colours


TNG = Picard maneouvre


DS9 = You ever notice how people always seem to slap each other twice on the back when they get up and leave?


VOY = Neelix. If he's not an idiosyncracy I don't know what is.


ENT = Those terrible Archer-speeches.


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A.J.Dembroski

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Report this Nov. 05 2012, 12:49 pm

Screw you all, I loved the jump suits. Easily the best uniform in the show.


 


TOS: Red Shirt carnage! He's dead, Jim. 


TNG: Incredibly civil, and I mean incredibly by it's literal definition. TNG had a lot of moments of ridiculous levels of naivite. It was... umm... entirely too optimistic. Where as TOS recognized a basic human nature that was immutable, TNG seemed to imply that humanity was perfectable and by that time we were well on our way.


DS9: Corruption... it was the thing that saved TNG for me. The juxtaposition of DS9 vs. TNG was interesting, and I don't think either would be as good without the other.


VOY: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic" To me, Star Trek had just advanced too far by this time and it was a bit too much for my taste.


ENT: Best multiple-show story arcs of the series. A more realistic, human, believable future for mankind.

4_Cardassia

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Report this Nov. 05 2012, 9:52 pm

@A.J.Dembroski- I can understand your attachment to Enterprise.  I enjoy it as well.  However, I would like to hear your reasoning behind your assertion that Enterprise had the "best multiple-show story arcs." What about Deep Space Nine's many interweaving storylines? With such rich material as the Cardassian Occupation, the Dominion threat, Bajor's political and religious turmoil, and the ever-shifting arena of Alpha Quadrant politics, DS9 proved to be the most complex and thrilling Star Trek series. Just as important as the epic, interstellar plots, however, were the brilliant character arcs that ran throughout Deep Space Nine's seven seasons. While Enterprise only developed a handful of characters to the point of becoming interesting, DS9 gave each of its dozens of regular and supporting characters time to shine and transform. Anyway, I would love to discuss this further with you.  I would be really interested to read why you feel Enterprise handled story arcs better than Deep Space Nine.


 


And now for my list of Star Trek idiosyncrasies:


TOS: Crazy Federation officials, ripped shirts, and planets ruled by alien entities/computers


TNG: Picard's sanctimonious (yet somehow inspiring) speeches, Troi's psychobabble, and Wesley


DS9:  Increasingly bad "Mirror Universe" episodes and overuse of phrases like "the entire Alpha Quadrant", "It's ironic, isn't it?", and "I don't like it any more than you do".  On a positive note, DS9 also depicted the most exciting, dynamic, and complex science-fiction universe ever envisioned (does that constitute an idiosyncrasy?).


VOY: Shuttle crashes, hostile aliens, and Holodeck overuse


ENT: Gratuitous sensuality

Dude108

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Report this Nov. 06 2012, 12:41 am

Sorry. DS9 intricate plots? Here's DS9's intricate plots:

1) I'm Bajoran...I hate Cardassians!
2) I'm Bajoran...listen to what the prophets say....even though its proven they're just simply aliens living in another dimension and we like clinging to centuries old dogma.
3) I'm Cardassian...I will always betray you.
4) I'm a main character on DS9...and I'm essentially the same character at the end of the series as when the series started. Unless I'm Odo. Then I just got worse.

That's it. It almost wasn't Star Trek. It was just a soap opera with lots of special effects.

However, Enterprise had constant ethical quandaries, not always solved easily, not always solipsistic, and quite often complex. Whom do you trust? Do past behaviors always predict future behaviors? Is every Enterprise crewman always perfect like in other series? Can everything be solved simply by "bypassing the main power drive" or "realigning the quantum biomatrix?"  All the main characters developed in major ways as the show progressed. It was sad it was only given four seasons.

Everyone has their favorite Trek. Pluses and minuses can be found for all. But to paint DS9 as some grand perfection of plot lines, detail and intricasy is a bit ludicrous. Its plot lines were just as "intricate" as "General Hospital" or "All My Children." And only with ridges on the nose.

heronymous

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Report this Nov. 06 2012, 2:50 pm

TOS: Canadian , Virginian , Russian Ham or Suchi ?!


TNG: Good Ol' Earl Grey Commander !


DS9: Come into the Liquid !


Voy: First Feminist Series !


Ent: Our Vulcan Relations !


 


 

A.J.Dembroski

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Report this Nov. 06 2012, 4:23 pm

Quote: 4_Cardassia @ Nov. 05 2012, 9:52 pm

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>@A.J.Dembroski- I can understand your attachment to Enterprise.  I enjoy it as well.  However, I would like to hear your reasoning behind your assertion that Enterprise had the "best multiple-show story arcs." What about Deep Space Nine's many interweaving storylines? With such rich material as the Cardassian Occupation, the Dominion threat, Bajor's political and religious turmoil, and the ever-shifting arena of Alpha Quadrant politics, DS9 proved to be the most complex and thrilling Star Trek series. Just as important as the epic, interstellar plots, however, were the brilliant character arcs that ran throughout Deep Space Nine's seven seasons. While Enterprise only developed a handful of characters to the point of becoming interesting, DS9 gave each of its dozens of regular and supporting characters time to shine and transform. Anyway, I would love to discuss this further with you.  I would be really interested to read why you feel Enterprise handled story arcs better than Deep Space Nine.

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Quite simply, I disagree. Dude108 really oversimplified DS9, but his premise is essencially correct. There was a very predictable quality to DS9's progression, and I don't know that would characterize much as "growth". Occassionally there were "leaps" forward...


For example, Sisco experienced extensive growth in the series premier, and then remained effectively static going forward. 


Don't get me wrong here... DS9 was my favorite series until ENT came along. It was a more believable vision of the future, to me, than TNG or VOY was. (Note: Rank it 2B... TOS is close as well).


Where as a character in DS9 could change, it was almost always a sudden, jarring thing. The character arc for Hoshi took the entire first season, for T'Pol and Trip, the entire 2nd and 3rd, and for Archer, he grew throughout the entire series. 


There were some missteps along the way. The fact that Archer going off on Trip was never referenced again was a disappointment. That relationship (and that word makes me think of something I should say to give you some credit, I'll get back to that) should have been visibly damaged, but wasn't. That bugs me.


Still, between the first episode of Season 1 and the final episode of season 4, we see a steady progression that doesn't jar us, doesn't make us suddenly feel like the characters have just had some epiphony and become a new person... and they're still the same characters, just with new experiences encorperated into their self-paradigm.


Now, one thing that DS9 did do well is developing relationships. The slow improvement of relationships between Bashir and Kira, Kira and Sisco for that matter, the arrival and integration of Worf, his relationship with Dax, etc.. I thought that's where DS9 shined above the other series'... that said, it did have a very strong daytime television feel too it, as, again Duke108 implied.


 

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Report this Nov. 06 2012, 5:15 pm

ENT - bad technology


TOS - low budget


TNG - ridding unitards in favor of pajamas. Hmm...


DS9  - Kira yelling "DUKAT!!!!" a lot


VOY  - caffine overload


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Dude108

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Report this Nov. 08 2012, 6:15 am

Shows how much Facebook has had an impact on how I view things. I'd click "Like" on every single post in this thread.

Truly, truly fascinating to see everyone's views here. Thanks everyone!

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Report this Nov. 12 2012, 10:16 pm

its in movie SALT


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