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1st Amendment Question

Garfield-Nut

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Report this Oct. 19 2012, 12:26 pm

  If we have the 1st Amendment, how come they can't show a Harmless Woman's Uncovered Nipple on Public Television, it's Just a Nipple,  I want to see  Fully Nude Women on Public TV,  Just like on the Playboy Channel

wissa

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Report this Oct. 19 2012, 12:37 pm

freedom of speech can only be taken away by the government. 


 


Television standards are set by a governing board made up of people in the industry and who the industry agrees to abide by.  Since they are not the government there is no infringement on their rights to free speech. 


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Vicsage

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Report this Oct. 19 2012, 1:10 pm

I might be wrong(and am too lazy to check), but wasn't the network fined by the FCC, a governmeny agency for that "wardobe malfunction" during the Super Bowl a few years ago?


No response must mean you all agree.

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Report this Oct. 19 2012, 9:46 pm

If you want that kind of smut, go and live in Europe.
But I’m sure in Europe the ladies there have standards there as well. 


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Invader_Wishfire

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Report this Oct. 20 2012, 1:19 am

I've seen boobs on PBS. It's rare, but it happens.

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VulcanKat

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Report this Oct. 20 2012, 5:16 am

They show that stuff on regular T.V in Europe. Makes me proud to be an American.

FleetAdmiral_BamBam

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Report this Oct. 20 2012, 7:44 am

The First Amendment is not meant to be a carte blanche right for everyone to do anything anywhere.  Do you really believe that our Founding Fathers would have allowed public nudity in the name of "free speech"?  Of course not.


There's a old question:  Can I yell "fire" in public if there is no fire?  Same as above - Of course not!


Under the First Amendment, porn is absolutely allowed, and you can access it if you want - but it's just not allowed to be everywhere and in everybody's faces.

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Report this Oct. 22 2012, 4:09 pm

Quote: wissa @ Oct. 19 2012, 12:37 pm

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>freedom of speech can only be taken away by the government. 

>Television standards are set by a governing board made up of people in the industry and who the industry agrees to abide by.  Since they are not the government there is no infringement on their rights to free speech. 

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Actually Bam, I think you and Wissa are both wrong - the issue here is surely FCC licenses?  The old big three channels have such licenses and are subject to community standards regulations.  Cable isn't - thus has a lot more 'R' content.


 


Actually, I believe the issue here is FCC licenses.  These community standards can be applied to stations with FCC licenses, but Cable is unregulated.  That's why there's so much 'R' content.

padracin

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Report this Oct. 22 2012, 4:10 pm

sorry for the double post!

FleetAdmiral_BamBam

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Report this Oct. 22 2012, 5:01 pm

Quote: padracin @ Oct. 22 2012, 4:09 pm

Quote: wissa @ Oct. 19 2012, 12:37 pm

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>freedom of speech can only be taken away by the government. 

>Television standards are set by a governing board made up of people in the industry and who the industry agrees to abide by.  Since they are not the government there is no infringement on their rights to free speech. 

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Actually Bam, I think you and Wissa are both wrong - the issue here is surely FCC licenses?  The old big three channels have such licenses and are subject to community standards regulations.  Cable isn't - thus has a lot more 'R' content.

 

Actually, I believe the issue here is FCC licenses.  These community standards can be applied to stations with FCC licenses, but Cable is unregulated.  That's why there's so much 'R' content.

FCC has to do with airwaves that anyone can grab out of the air.  Cable & Satellite is closed so only those part of their private network.


This is why I wrote that things are allowed under the first amendment, just determining where it it's allowed.  To, it's no different than being nude in the home (allowed) and being nude at the supermarket (not allowed.)


DS9TREK

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Report this Oct. 23 2012, 6:14 am

Quote: K_tigress @ Oct. 19 2012, 9:46 pm

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>If you want that kind of smut, go and live in Europe.
But I’m sure in Europe the ladies there have standards there as well. 

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"Smut"? It has been proven in study after study that allowing children to see non-sexual nudity lowers the insistences of teen sex and teen pregnancies.


It's just like alcohol. Americans do all they can to deny you a drink until you're 21 and then are surprised when adults in their 20s develop drink problems through their binge drinking. In Europe parents teach kids to drink responsibly from a young age and binge drinking is almost unheard of.


Stop kids seeing non-sexual nudity and what happens? They search for hardcore porns on the interwebs and get screwed up.

DS9TREK

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Report this Oct. 23 2012, 6:26 am

Quote: FleetAdmiral_BamBam @ Oct. 20 2012, 7:44 am

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>The First Amendment is not meant to be a carte blanche right for everyone to do anything anywhere.  Do you really believe that our Founding Fathers would have allowed public nudity in the name of "free speech"?  Of course not.

>There's a old question:  Can I yell "fire" in public if there is no fire?  Same as above - Of course not!

>Under the First Amendment, porn is absolutely allowed, and you can access it if you want - but it's just not allowed to be everywhere and in everybody's faces.

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Yelling fire in public can cause harm in the event people panic, nudity can do no such thing. In England public nudity is completely legal. There have been several cases of people standing naked on the fourth plinth in Trafalgar Square to display their bodies as art. Some prudes always demand the police arrest them, but the police are powerless to do anything.


And on free speech, yes nudity is protected. Wearing or not wearing clothes is a form of expression, expression is a form of free speech.

FleetAdmiral_BamBam

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Report this Oct. 23 2012, 8:05 am

Quote: DS9TREK @ Oct. 23 2012, 6:26 am

Quote: FleetAdmiral_BamBam @ Oct. 20 2012, 7:44 am

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>The First Amendment is not meant to be a carte blanche right for everyone to do anything anywhere.  Do you really believe that our Founding Fathers would have allowed public nudity in the name of "free speech"?  Of course not.

>There's a old question:  Can I yell "fire" in public if there is no fire?  Same as above - Of course not!

>Under the First Amendment, porn is absolutely allowed, and you can access it if you want - but it's just not allowed to be everywhere and in everybody's faces.

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Yelling fire in public can cause harm in the event people panic, nudity can do no such thing. In England public nudity is completely legal. There have been several cases of people standing naked on the fourth plinth in Trafalgar Square to display their bodies as art. Some prudes always demand the police arrest them, but the police are powerless to do anything.

And on free speech, yes nudity is protected. Wearing or not wearing clothes is a form of expression, expression is a form of free speech.

We partially agree.  Different countries have different laws based on their morality.  The USA was built on different principles than most of the rest of the world.


I had already made that point that nudity is considered free speech (see my first post above.)  The laws just stipulate where it's appropriate.


chr33355

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Report this Oct. 28 2012, 5:20 pm

The FCC is a terrible organization designed by the federal government to get around the first amendment with TV and radio.

FleetAdmiral_BamBam

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Report this Oct. 28 2012, 8:30 pm

Quote: chr33355 @ Oct. 28 2012, 5:20 pm

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>The FCC is a terrible organization designed by the federal government to get around the first amendment with TV and radio.

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I don't think it's "designed" to do that, but it's definitely being used to do it nowadays.  One of the first major duties of the FCC was to make sure that different stations broadcasted at different frequencies so that they didn't conflict with each other... but now the FCC has been used to push the ProRegressive agenda and destroy the 1st amendment via fairness doctrine, etc.


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