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End game - What just happened?

Decepticon2203

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Report this Oct. 09 2012, 6:50 am

Hi, i just watched the last episode of voyager again, after long time, and though I had my doubts about Endgame the first time, I just don't understand what I just saw.


- 1) The Federation in the future had shipwise great advantages. Shield plating. But the klingon had nothing of any?
- 2) Voyager has absolutely no problem adding shield plating to the ship? In fact, it's done in only a couple of moments, even in the onscreen timespan. 
- 3) If the borg has so many hubs, why not sending an entire fleet to every corner of the galaxy and conquer it in only a matter of days?
- 4) With the Borgqueen falling apart, the entire unicomplex explodes. Does it means the Borg has been defeated forever?
- 5) Tom Paris sees his father live for the first time in 7 years on a huge screen in front him and both men show absolutely no emotions...?
- 6) Deep Space 9 had the best ending of any series I 've ever seen, considering the last 10 episodes they needed to give closure to everything and anything. Why Voyager only 2?


 


 


 


 


 

nicholas.karakachos

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Report this Oct. 09 2012, 10:06 am

a few of these require speculation, with no actual answer. a few i can talk on...


3. The Borg can only set up trans-warp gates to locations they have been bofore, implying that you must be there first to establish the link. an example is that the borg did not know of humanity until first contact was made with the borg during Star Trek: Enterprise (these borg were from the future. see: Star Trek First Contact). The borg sent a subspace message home, which took an estimated 200 years to reach the delta quadrent, and then the borg went looking for humanity and although they got close they didnt make it to earth. Then when they finally made it to earth in First Contact (these were the future borg, now in their own time), it could be presumed that the pathway was formed (which is why the borg assimilated earth). But through the effort of the Enterprise-E, they changed the past and saved Earth, but presumably left this gate open, which Voyager later traveled through.  (lots of speculation here. seems reasonable i think)


4. It is implied that there are multiple (or clones) of the borg queen as she has died on a few occasions, most predominatly when Jean-Luc Picard kills her in Star Trek: First Contact.


5. Bad Acting


6. The decision to end DS9 was well planned out. Voyager was never canceled, the producers chose to end it... but they chose to end it kinda last minute, leaving the remainder of the season (in this case, 2 episodes) to wrap up the show.

randy kerr

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Report this Oct. 09 2012, 11:09 am

please read the 3-parter startrek destiny that way you will know how the borg came to be.

Sehlat123

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Report this Oct. 09 2012, 11:10 am

- 1) The Federation in the future had shipwise great advantages. Shield plating. But the klingon had nothing of any?


It seemed to me that the technology was experimental, invented by Janeway specifically to defeat the borg. The klingon battlecruisers would have likely had something simlar, but not on a small ship like that one.



- 2) Voyager has absolutely no problem adding shield plating to the ship? In fact, it's done in only a couple of moments, even in the onscreen timespan. 


Hmm...  perhaps Admiral Janeway made it based oof Voyager systems? this one is pretty much speculation.



- 3) If the borg has so many hubs, why not sending an entire fleet to every corner of the galaxy and conquer it in only a matter of days?


I'm guessing nicholas.karakachos was right about this one, but the thing that confused me was that didn't the borg have transwarp coils on their ship (Dark Frontier) ? I suppose that the hubs were faster, but it seems like the borg would get to earth in way less than 200 years... more like 2 days.



 


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Report this Oct. 09 2012, 11:04 pm

4  This has boggled me for years.  Finally read up on it one day and discovered, that it is believed that when the Queen is destroyed, the Borg go into chaos.  There is no order.  Until they build (or deligate) a new queen, who then provides the order and the never ending desire for perfection.  On top of that, in some novels, it has been mentioned that the Borg are alive, but dissfunctional because of the lost of their latest Queen.

ALSO...  on that note.  I've also read that there is multiple queens.  When one is gone.  The other simply takes over the other queen's hive. 


Voyager is my favorite series, but I do agree that it ended way too quickly with very little closure.  However, I've read before on the reasoning behind the quick ending.  The show was simply about the crew of Voyager trying to get home.  They did.  The end.

medic_gurl

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Report this Oct. 12 2012, 6:50 pm

That was always my problem with the ending of Voyager, how rapid and sudden. I'm glad they actually ended it, didn't just leave us hanging. Or even worse to give us an ending that was just wrong, like the Quantum Leap ending . . . Sam just keeps leaping around forever. Leaving Voyager in the Delta quadrant forever would have been wrong. As was just mentioned above, the show was about getting the ship back home. And they did.


However, it was still so sudden. And I'm still not entirely certain how they ended up inside the Borg ship, that was kinda weird. Cool, but weird.


Still, Voyager is one of my favorites, although DS9 beats them out!


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Report this Oct. 13 2012, 6:03 am

Quote: randy kerr @ Oct. 09 2012, 11:09 am

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>please read the 3-parter startrek destiny that way you will know how the borg came to be.

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You can't apply that to the TV shows. There's another book that came before the Trilogy that said V'Ger was the origin of the Borg. Then there's the STar Trek Legacy game, that has another version of V'Ger creating the Borg.


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Decepticon2203

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Report this Oct. 13 2012, 12:42 pm

Quote: medic_gurl @ Oct. 12 2012, 6:50 pm

>Topicposter here, thanks for all your answers. I never see anything outside TV series or movies, and I know things outside TV/movie are not officla in that story line.

> And I'm still not entirely certain how they ended up inside the Borg ship, that was kinda weird. Cool, but weird.


Yes, that's what i was wanna say too. From entering the hub, the sphere that follows them, the explosion and ...WHAM!! Voyager comes out of the flames?


V'ger can't have anything to do with the Borg, the Vaadwaur already stated that the Borg assimilated a few sectors, 900 years ago. Which has to be around 1400. Nothing else was told about them. 


Due to the missing Borg data before 23xx, it is possible that the borg encountered Voyager 6 satelite and send it as V'ger back to us. But it doesn't fit any of their characteristics from the borg we know in TNG and VOY.


 


 


 


 


 


 

Anime Odo

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Report this Oct. 18 2012, 4:08 pm

The last episode made me cry!!! VOYAGER rules


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Report this Oct. 21 2012, 5:29 am

Thought it was a terrible ending.  Personally, I would've liked to have seen the creators leave Voyager out there in the Delta Quadrant.  I think it would've pushed the powers that be to keep some active storylines should they want to do subsequent movies, even though it looked like the writing was already on the wall that Voyager wouldn't be continuing.

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Report this Oct. 23 2012, 6:07 pm

I liked Endgame. I'll side with Kate and agree that it's something Janeway would have done.


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TheJanewayFactor

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Report this Nov. 01 2012, 10:36 am

errr tom and admiral paris dont get along, tom maintains thru all 7 series he hopes voyager never gets home so he dont have to deal with his dad, he feels like he is a major disapointment to the admiral, non pulsed was there reaction to the view screen, ties in nicly with the paris plot

Jeffe525

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Report this Nov. 02 2012, 6:26 pm

Forgetting all the problems and paradoxes that come with time travel, I'll just comment on the brief wrap-up.


I agree that it was about as short of a finale as it could have possibly been. I mean, DS9 spent half of the last episode saying good-bye. Endgame was the exact oposite of that.


I understand that they covered a little bit of the "what happened next" in the begining of the episode, but Admiral Janeway's goal was to change all that.


I personally think DS9 almost stretched the finale out too far (almost), but with Voyager it was WAY too short. We got this huge build up to a great climax, the Borg Sphere explodes, Voyager emerges, the baby cries, Janeway looks as surprised as the rest of us. She says, "We did it." Reality hasn't even set in yet, for them or for us. Then... then... The End.


What? WHAT?!? THAT'S IT!?! AFTER 7 YEARS? KNOWING THERE WON'T BE MOVIES TO FOLLOW - THAT'S ALL I GET?


It reminds me of my senior prom - it was also highly anticipated, surprisingly short, and topped off with an abrupt and unsatisfying conclusion. And just like Voyager 5 minutes after they return home, the rest is none of your business :-)  

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Report this Nov. 05 2012, 5:00 pm

When in the world is STAR TREK going to begin a new series? There ain't nothing else out there that comes close. STAR TREK'S concept is unique i.e. the Bridge, Scottie, Data, the Captain's chair, Beam Out, Warp-Speed 13, Impulse Engine etc. I would even settle for a similar version, with the same quality of course. There are thousands and thousands of Captains Kirks, Janeways, Picards, Siskos, Archers that can quote Shakespeare and play the roles. Roddenberry certainly set a standard for space pics. Spielburg borrowed from Star Trek.

magicmuggle01

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Report this Nov. 08 2012, 3:24 pm

I was a bit disappointed with the last few minutes of the end of Voyager. I would love to have seen the ship land and be welcomed back offically by Admiral Paris. And also maybe a reunion between Tom and his father along with their daughter.

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