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dreem24

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Report this Oct. 07 2012, 12:46 pm

I think it was total crap can bashir be realy so naive to  wnats a cure for the plague and in the next episode where they capture sec 31 agen was so stupid why wouldn't he just blow up the labolatory and bashir's living room and be done with it  

Mitchz95

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Report this Oct. 09 2012, 9:22 pm

Bashir wanted to find a cure because he didn't support S31's plan to exterminate the Founders. That, and he wanted to save Odo.


As for Sloan, he didn't simply blow up Bashir's lab because that would be too "messy". His style was to be surgical, destroying only what needed to be destroyed.


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OtakuJo

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Report this Oct. 10 2012, 6:52 am

What Mitch said.


Also I would add:


1. Bashir is not being naive. He cares about Odo and is genuinely disgusted by the idea of the Federation committing genocide. The important moment as far as his attitude goes might be at the end of Inter Arma &c. when he confronts Ross. Ultimately, his thinking is: If the Federation fully abandons its principles in the name of winning the war, then they might as well surrender because what have they been fighting for? He has no intention of giving the cure to the Founders.


2. In the end, though, it is his actions here that lead to Odo's survival and ability to cure the Female Founder, and end the hostilities between the Federation and Founders... so ultimately it was worth it. You might see this ending as a Deus ex Machina, but remember that early in the sixth season the Female Founder did say that bringing Odo back to the Link was more important than the outcome of their war.


3. Bashir was correct in his assessment of Sloan's character and likely response, because Sloan does prefer to use "surgical precision" in his operations and preferably have no indication of foul play -- To blow up Bashir's quarters or destroy the lab might not have left evidence of Sloan's involvement but it would have been evidence of a crime which would need to be investigated. Even if there was no chance of linking any investigation back to 31, Sloan would infinitely prefer not to leave his mark on anything.


4. Besides that, he views Bashir as an important resource for Section 31 and would not want to lose that resource if he could possibly help it.


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Report this Oct. 12 2012, 5:51 am

Great points OtakuJo!!


I agree!


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lobes_of_borg

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Report this Oct. 13 2012, 3:59 am

Exactly! The whole point od section 31was that they were officially not supposed to exist, it undermines the idea of a federation utopia, If your organisationisn't supposed to exists they'd be a hell of a lot of undesirable loose ends and questions if a starfleet doctor's lab blew up on a crowded space station

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Report this Oct. 13 2012, 11:53 am

Quote: lobes_of_borg @ Oct. 13 2012, 3:59 am

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>Exactly! The whole point od section 31was that they were officially not supposed to exist, it undermines the idea of a federation utopia, If your organisationisn't supposed to exists they'd be a hell of a lot of undesirable loose ends and questions if a starfleet doctor's lab blew up on a crowded space station

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The Federation was never nor was ever a utopia. Earth was.


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kkt

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Report this Nov. 03 2012, 10:03 pm

A real intelligence officer would have blown up the lab, or even all of DS9, if that was the only way to keep the cure from getting into the hands of the Dominion.  They're playing for keeps.  He'd find some way of diverting suspicion away from Section 31, and Starfleet would continue coverup Section 31's existence.


Also, Section 31 wouldn't have sent just one agent.  At the very least, they'd have sent another agent when Sloan stopped reporting in.


 

OtakuJo

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Report this Nov. 03 2012, 11:53 pm

ok some valid points there, but I still don't think they would have blown up the lab. It is far more in keeping with Section 31 not to allow any evidence of something untoward even having occurred -- rather than leaving a mess behind that they would have to clean up later, however thoroughly they might have done it.


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Report this Nov. 10 2012, 8:31 pm

It would definitely have been a surgical operation, no big explosions.


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Report this Nov. 11 2012, 9:07 am

I commend all of you were were able to answer this question. I read it 5 times and couldn't understand a word of what was written.


 


"So stupid blow up Bashir total crap naiive s31 crap stupid plague stupid cure crap living room blowed up be done with it"


 


You are all superior to me in reading comprehension!


 

Pooneil

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Report this Nov. 11 2012, 9:39 am

I assume he's talking about the episode where Worf thinks Julian's flirting with Ezri? I agree, Worf should have blown up Julian's living room.

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Report this Nov. 12 2012, 10:48 am

Quote: Pooneil @ Nov. 11 2012, 9:39 am

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>I assume he's talking about the episode where Worf thinks Julian's flirting with Ezri? I agree, Worf should have blown up Julian's living room.

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I think he is saying Sloan should have blown up Julian's living room to keep him from getting a cure to the changling's disease, but I can't really tell.


 


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Report this Nov. 19 2012, 6:05 pm

Quote: kkt @ Nov. 03 2012, 10:03 pm

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>A real intelligence officer would have blown up the lab, or even all of DS9, if that was the only way to keep the cure from getting into the hands of the Dominion.


Thats the point here.Blowing up the lab or station was NOT the only way to keep the cure from the founders.


Also, Section 31 wouldn't have sent just one agent.  At the very least, they'd have sent another agent when Sloan stopped reporting in.


Sloan wasnt out of contact very long.


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Report this Nov. 20 2012, 8:08 pm

Quote: stovokor2000-A @ Nov. 19 2012, 6:05 pm

Quote: kkt @ Nov. 03 2012, 10:03 pm

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>A real intelligence officer would have blown up the lab, or even all of DS9, if that was the only way to keep the cure from getting into the hands of the Dominion.

Thats the point here.Blowing up the lab or station was NOT the only way to keep the cure from the founders.

Also, Section 31 wouldn't have sent just one agent.  At the very least, they'd have sent another agent when Sloan stopped reporting in.

Sloan wasnt out of contact very long.


Sending one agent to take away the cure from Bashir's lab clearly didn't work.  Sloan stopped reporting.  What would you have done as Section 31's chief at that point?  We're expected to believe Section 31 just gave up and let Bashir and Odo give the cure to the founders whenever they were ready.  That doesn't really strike me as their style.  They'd send several agents, maybe stage a takeover as Starfleet Internal Affairs like the did before, maybe something new, but they'd do something.  Maybe this time they'd send agents who didn't mind blowing up the lab to accomplish the mission.

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Report this Nov. 20 2012, 8:38 pm

Quote: kkt @ Nov. 20 2012, 8:08 pm

>Sending one agent to take away the cure from Bashir's lab clearly didn't work.
 


Right, but the rest of 31 didnt know thast Sloan failed untill it was too late to send anyone else.


Sloan stopped reporting. 


I'm saure its not unheard of for a section 31 agent to miss a few report in times.Particularly in a time of war.And no, a group like 31 wouldnt EMEADITLAEY  send an other agent.They would wait a short time.


And its not like a long time passed between  Sloans capture and what Bashier did to him.


And after Sloans death and the public release of info that 31 was behind a genoside plot its likely their support in starfleet started to crumble.Staging such a public plan like attacking the station wouldnt have been taken well by the public or the rest of starfleet.Its likely any such plan would have failed.


And remember, the station was not federation property, it belonged to a Federation alli....the Bajorans.I could see the Klingons and the Romulans turning their backs on the fedaration if it was learned that fedaration opperitives destroyed a alli's station.


 


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