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Alarming Romney Statement About Securing US "Leadership" In Space

Commandamanda

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Report this Sep. 24 2012, 3:01 pm

Just read this and see if you feel a twinge of fear (those of you old enough to remember the Cold War) and for the rest of you -- well, the literal translation is - shall we say: "Arming ourselves again the eventuality of someone attacking *our* space tech..."




Romney/Ryan Securing US Leadership In Space


 


Strengthening Security.


Space-based information capabilities are the central nervous system of the U.S. national security community. If America is to remain strong as a nation, the national security space programs must remain strong and sustainable. Romney is committed to a robust national security space program and will direct the development of capabilities that defend and increase the resilience of space assets. He will also direct the development of capabilities that will deter adversaries seeking to damage or destroy the space capabilities of the U.S. and its allies.





I'm suddenly feeling pretty worried about this guy. (As if I wasn't before, but this?!)





FleetAdmiral_BamBam

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Report this Sep. 24 2012, 8:10 pm

Yes, some of us were around for the cold war - I was in the military then.  The USA has enemies and their capabilities are increasing.  Anyone knowledgeable in this area knows that communications is a key component to any conflict.


And.... protecting the USA is Constitutional.... so if Romney said this, this is actually one of the few Constitutional things Romney has said.

Commandamanda

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Report this Sep. 24 2012, 9:01 pm

I have to agree that guarding certain technologies might be in our best interests knowing about other "competing" nations,and that it's "constiutional",


but Romney also went on to make mention of how we're stuck with bugging rides off the Russians...it was mentioned in a very resentful way.


I really see this as a slap in the face to the other nations who have pooled their time, money, and resources to help the USA (and themselves of course) get the new station up and running - it's a team effort.


I agree with Roddenberry's perspective of a team effort between nations, and not exerting a heavy hand upon scientists and the good feelings that we've fostered due to working together.


Who, exactly, do you think he's pointing a finger at? I think he's still living in the Cold War Era. Seriiously - and I think he wants it back.

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Report this Sep. 24 2012, 9:11 pm

Quote: Commandamanda @ Sep. 24 2012, 9:01 pm

>but Romney also went on to make mention of how we're stuck with bugging rides off the Russians...it was mentioned in a very resentful way.
It is not logical for the USA to have to be bumming rides off anyone else.  It shows how shortsighted we've been.  We should have opened up space a long time ago.


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Report this Sep. 24 2012, 9:15 pm

Quote: Commandamanda @ Sep. 24 2012, 9:01 pm

>I really see this as a slap in the face to the other nations who have pooled their time, money, and resources to help the USA (and themselves of course) get the new station up and running - it's a team effort.
Some things are correct to be a team effort and some things are NOT for "teams."  Space station is one thing, but our communications satellites are something completely different.


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Report this Sep. 24 2012, 9:27 pm

Quote: Commandamanda @ Sep. 24 2012, 9:01 pm

>Who, exactly, do you think he's pointing a finger at? I think he's still living in the Cold War Era. Seriiously - and I think he wants it back.
I don't know who he's thinking about, but China is an easy one..., and Russia is selling tech to other countries and others are very close.  Don't confuse vigilance with wanting a cold war.  If you take a look at history, people thought WWI would be the last war and we didn't need to worry about protecting themselves from aggression.  Then WWII....  how many other wars have we had?  There will always be someone that wants to contol someone else... hence defense.


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Report this Sep. 24 2012, 10:43 pm

I hate to say it, but this one point I am in agreement with Romney about. It makes sense to protect our assets in space, and yet it makes no sense that we no longer have a way to get our own people into space.


This would also create jobs, as the original space program did.


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Report this Sep. 25 2012, 9:24 am

Quote: Commandamanda @ Sep. 24 2012, 9:01 pm

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>Romney also went on to make mention of how we're stuck with bugging rides off the Russians...it was mentioned in a very resentful way.

>I really see this as a slap in the face to the other nations who have pooled their time, money, and resources to help the USA (and themselves of course) get the new station up and running - it's a team effort.

>I agree with Roddenberry's perspective of a team effort between nations, and not exerting a heavy hand upon scientists and the good feelings that we've fostered due to working together.

>Who, exactly, do you think he's pointing a finger at? I think he's still living in the Cold War Era. Seriiously - and I think he wants it back.

>


Why should we be bugging rides off the russians? We have been the leader in space exploration until Obama, who hates NASA because it's pro-american, and we should be again. There is no logic in being dependent on another country to do our buisness. In fact, other countries are working on their own to develop their own spacecraft, and for some reason, we're going the other way.


As for the ISS, other countries pooled their money together to make their own wing in the space station. We could have made our own station if we wanted to, but Reagen decided to let other countries join us in space. This isn't a slap in the face, it's handling our own affairs, something our last 2 presidents haven't been too good at.


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Commandamanda

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Report this Sep. 25 2012, 12:53 pm

Okay, since many of us are in agreement over protecting our leadership in space, what do you think would be the appropriate action? 


How do we protect ourselves? 


Secrecy?


Missiles? 


Rebuilding our space program? 


All of these options require the money to do it. Do you think Romney would follow through and approve such spending? 

wissa

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Report this Sep. 25 2012, 3:07 pm

when did the world decide space belonged to the US?  I think we need a recount. 


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Beershark

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Report this Sep. 25 2012, 4:36 pm

It's not about claiming space as ours. It's about protecting the assests we have in space and having the capability to maintain them ourself. To not have to rely on other countries to do so.


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Fleet Admiral Braxton

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Report this Sep. 25 2012, 4:57 pm

And How is Romney Going To do that,When He Keeps Shooting Himself in the Ass?

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Report this Sep. 25 2012, 5:15 pm

Quote: Commandamanda @ Sep. 25 2012, 12:53 pm

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>Okay, since many of us are in agreement over protecting our leadership in space, what do you think would be the appropriate action? 

>How do we protect ourselves? 

>Secrecy?

>Missiles?

>All of these options require the money to do it. Do you think Romney would follow through and approve such spending? 

>


If you balance the budget, and only spend the money that you have, you will still have some money. if you don't spend it on stupid things, like building trains that no one takes and making streets more fancy, then you can spend it on good things, like space exploration. NASA can do things private companies can't, like going back to the moon and to mars, so that is what we should spend our money on. Private companies like SpaceX can go to the ISS or something, but they don't have the money to go farther.


If romney had been president these last four years, I doubt he would have cut much spending anyway, but if he did, he'd cut it out of the correct things, not canceling NASA's space mission and telling them to outreach to the muslim world, like Obama did.


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Report this Sep. 25 2012, 6:06 pm

Quote: Commandamanda @ Sep. 25 2012, 12:53 pm

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>Okay, since many of us are in agreement over protecting our leadership in space, what do you think would be the appropriate action? 

>How do we protect ourselves? 

>Secrecy?

>Missiles? 

>Rebuilding our space program? 

>All of these options require the money to do it. Do you think Romney would follow through and approve such spending? 

>
Good questions.  The question is, who/what do we protect ourselves from?  I've never liked politicians that use spending on the military as an excuse just to waste billions of our tax dollars.  Threats should be qualified & quantified and countermeasures to those threats need to be correct.  I want our military to be so strong that nobody wants to even think about attacking us..., but that doesn't mean that we need to be the aggressor or just waste money.  We also don't need to be the world's policeman.


Yes, secrecy is important to protecting the USA - this is obvious.


Missiles are a component, but not a 100% solution.  Not all of our enemies are nation states - some are borderless.


Rebuilding the space program doesn't necessarily need to be government - why not allow commercial more access and open up competition?  This will also allow more scientific discovery without politicians squashing it.


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Report this Sep. 25 2012, 6:18 pm

Quote: wissa @ Sep. 25 2012, 3:07 pm

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>when did the world decide space belonged to the US?  I think we need a recount. 

>
I don't think anyone said or suggested this.... We're talking about protecting our assets and our country.  What would happen if one of USA's enemies took out a number of our satellites.... or all of them?


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