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Report this Sep. 13 2012, 7:02 pm

Quote: Christopher.D.Norton.writer.activist @ Sep. 12 2012, 11:06 pm

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class="MsoNormal">Here's what I know: "in an interview one of the big trek execs or something said they had heard that the head of the USSR at the time (pre-Gorbachev) had said "he didn't like that Trek didn't have a Soviet/Russian, was this supposed to be some slight upon the USSR or the Russian people" the exec (or whatever, it Might have been Gene himself, it was so long ago I don't remember) said he suspected "it was just propaganda made for political purposes" paraphrased not quote, but "we were trying to make a show to promote peace, not increase hostilities, so I/we decided it was better to be on the safe side and not upset anyone, and it was clearly upsetting some people, and not the people they were trying to upset" or words to that effect.

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Are you out of your Vulcan mind? 46yrs and that's the first I've heard that "theory". In 1966, in the midst of a cold war, a nuclear arms race and a space race do you really believe that the Soviet Premier was even aware of, let alone worried about, some silly little American sci-fi television show? I don't think so and it is just as unlikely that any Hollywood tv studio at that time would have altered there shows to appease him if he were. Checkov was stricktly marketing to demographics my friend.


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Report this Sep. 13 2012, 7:07 pm

Quote: Christopher.D.Norton.writer.activist @ Sep. 13 2012, 12:20 am

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class="MsoNormal">Maybe warp/green girl is right, b/c about the kirk/spock thing, you have to have a really bad childhood (& not get over it) or have a very rare gene (or perhaps and have a slightly less rare gene) in order to be a male gay, but you get a room full of women drunk with no men around and some might say about 1 out of every 4 might consider experimenting with another 1 out of every 4, so that approximately 7 out of 9 would not; and maybe Warpgirl's idea was that Janeway was saying "I think they misnamed you, I think you should have been named 2 or 9"

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Now I know you're crazy...


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Report this Sep. 13 2012, 7:34 pm

No, I heard that in an interview; it’s not a theory it’s the best I could to quote an interview, and the other one was a joke the girl whose always commenting on the lesbian side of things because of the fact that at first she saw my lifestyle as a single m an offensive till she got to know me better.  Intolerant people always call anyone different to them crazy.  How could have you be here and be a sentient being (say 17-23 years old) 46 years ago and never come by that info, so you're both highly ignorant (including not looking to expand your knowledge) and you're completely intolerant of anyone having a dif view than your own- not man if this was fb or T you'd be blocked man.


But maybe I should have expected that because obsessing over every detail of a show and having a conniption fit whenever anyone forgets (like many treckies do) is practically the definition of being an uptight white person so cangrats don't bother acting on any white guilt you have because its people like you were all that bad shit white people did was done for and all your obsessing is just showing that to the world man.

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Report this Sep. 13 2012, 7:48 pm

Okay then, I'm done. I don't feed the trolls. Buh-Bye now.


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Report this Sep. 13 2012, 11:53 pm

Hey I'm not a balnking troll* I am talking about serious star trek issues, which by the way I've talked with lots of grad students about, and they are pretty much all on my side on most of them, but for obvious reasons I could not mention this one to them unless it was #1 a class dealing with sexuality, or #2 a bar or caffee where I was expecting to be in one of thier beds by the end of the night, and even that probably has some ethical aspects attached to them unless #1 they were older than  the average grad student and #2 I had no undue influence over them; but just the fact that even when they do not know who I am and just think I am a guy in a cafe or chilling at school perhaps waiting for a younger gf or possibly a very young undrgrad daughter, that they still pretty much agree with everything I've mentioned on these boards, and often added things to the discussion supporting my side that I hadn't previously thought of- would tend to imply that since I am the same person, speaking about basically the same issues, that my question of this is also probably in the mainstream and almost certainly debatable, and debatable means you can talk about it without name calling just because someone doesn't necessarily completely share your view on something; no I suspect you are the kind of guy that likes to end things with a fist if someone isn't smart enough to shut up, which is why it is so good to both a have been a brat and engaged to a Mossad girl and another girl who was former Malaysian national service, because a few black belts do more than hold ones pants up when dealing with such jerks who think fists solve problems, not that I would hurt someone twice my size with thrice my skeletal muscle mass, but I wouldn't mind embarrassing him by showing him what happens when he thrown a punch at me even when my back is turned.


 


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Report this Sep. 14 2012, 12:12 am

P.S. I am not a professor, not for that matter and instructor (part time professor), but have given many speeches on campuses, and helped many professors with their classes; just mentioned b/c I didn't want to give an incorrect impression.


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Report this Sep. 14 2012, 1:20 am

Yeah? That's just what a troll would say.


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Report this Sep. 14 2012, 1:50 am

Well, I'm not familiar with your modern ways they confuse and scare me; I'm just a cave man who got frozen in some ice till some of your scientists thawed me out- so why don't you describe to me what you think a troll is, and why you think this troll creature is bad; because my idea of a troll is an ugly monster that hides under bridges and charges tolls, or that likes to eat hobbits and dwarves.

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Report this Sep. 14 2012, 2:28 am

A troll would be a person who posts outrages claims and/or controvercial statements designed to illicit a response, and then attacks the respondent.


In this case, the claim that, at the height of the cold war, an american tv studio altered or added to their cast of characters a russian because Leonid Brezhnev was offended.


And while my response was a bit cheeky, I merely pointed out that this was simply not the case. As a punch line of sorts, I commented on another of your posts that comes across as both sexist and homophobic. Again I point to the controvercial nature of such statements.


You in return have made many assumptions about my character that could not be further from the truth. You then took us on a long and winding rant about how smart and awesome you consider youself to be. In my experience a tremendous ego is also part of the troll make up.


You claim to be a writer. I suspect, and this only my opinion, that this is a piece of subtrifuge on your part. You aren't very good at it, if your posting on these boards can be taken as an example. While you seem to have a masterful way with the run-on sentence, you often ramble and have trouble making your point clearly. I have no college education, my spelling sucks and I can't type for shit, however I am inclined to believe I could do better.


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Report this Sep. 14 2012, 2:47 am

Well, in fact, my response was accurate; perhaps since my response was accurate, the problem you have is not with me but with your own perception of the world, and by your proclivity to make assumptions, rather than investigate things- since they both failed you in this particular case.


 And as for my posting how did you put it outrages claims and/or controversial statements designed to illicit a response, and then attacking the respondent 1st of all, I was only responding to a relatively outlandish claim myself, that a person thought that by showing that each trek specifically put characters in the show in order to show a mentoring, and that by thus establishing this, they could prove that there could be no other purpose for that character to be on the show, and that in fact nothing that ever happened on the show with that character and the captain could ever be more than that one element.  That person clearly is not a big believer in the Greek philosophical principal that later became a corner of modern science that "One cannot prove a negative" so I showed that the first one they listed was not thus; and I would actually say that #1 they were not conservative CIA fans, but in fact liberals trying to create peace, avoid war and thus not cause those very problems they were trying to avoid by cause "THE RUSSIAN PEOPLE" who would presumably feel the same way as the premier of Russia was 2nd or 3rd handily reputed to have claimed, which is something I do not pretend to understand the logic of, but it’s what he (I am pretty sure now it was Gene Roddenberry) said in the interview.


 


 #2 look at the top of the page Einstein it’s my F-ing board and you were attacking me on it; and I would suspect someone so incredibly resistant to such things as you yourself do, probably does so because you actually blatantly attack people when others are trying to have a civil conversation, and probably do not understand that at any time a civil conversation can turn into a lively debate and be fun for all involved, for most people and most groups of people, and I would expect that you do not know the difference between the two


and by the way, that was not the height of the cold war, I'd say the height of the cold war was either when Patton was begging to invade Russia, or when Stalin swallowed up held of Europe while executing more Jews in a matter of weeks than the Nazis killed in all their time on earth.

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Report this Sep. 14 2012, 2:51 am

Have a nice day.


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Report this Sep. 14 2012, 2:57 am

Beershark http://gaming.trekcore.com/judgmentrites/interview.html click on What influenced you to add Chekov to the crew? its actually a download of a clip but my protection if pretty good and there were no warnign, but if you feel better right click on it and inspect the elements


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Report this Sep. 15 2012, 2:43 pm

So Beershark, the ONLY reason Chekov was developed as a character was to attract young females?


Whilst of course that would be a factor on the character design surely it can't be the one and only reason? 


He was based on Davy Jones and he was made a Russian for the same reason Worf was put on the bridge during TNG - to prove old enemies can become allies.


In all drama we need for the main characters to voice their thinking, knowledge and express how they made mistakes when they were young to give the benefit of wisdom etc...this is a key dramatic principle


That's why Wesley and Picard's relationship is so strong - Sosko and Jake are so close - Archer helps develop Mayweather into a more balanced officer. Yes Hoshi is young and less experienced in space, but Mayweather was moulded by Archer, who he in turn emulated - and when Chekov stated about Demora Sulu "I was never that young" Kirk could put a fatherly hand on his shoulder and remind him "...you were younger"


 


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Report this Sep. 16 2012, 11:56 am

I didn't see the sexual thing that was so commonly interpreted in the relationship between Janeway and Seven. The way I saw it was that Seven replaced Kes' role as the vulnerable "child" that Janeway could guide.

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Report this Sep. 16 2012, 4:56 pm

Quote: sdt1701 @ Sep. 12 2012, 11:54 am

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>Wow! Thanks for quoting me JOYOFVGR, made my day! 

>To be honest, I never picked up on the sexual undertones you mentioned - perhaps I should review a few episodes...any suggestions?

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It's been so long since I followed Voyager. I barely remember the episodes now. You can try a google search. Tons of stuff is sure to pop up. There are also some Janeway/Seven (J/7) fanfiction websites out there. I've often theorized that they created the Chakotay/Seven relationship at the end so that they wouldn't have to choose between a Chakotay/Janeway or Janeway/Seven relationship.


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