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Christopher.D.Norton.writ
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Report this Sep. 09 2012, 4:25 am

Why is none in the media discussing how racit, anti-feminist, and anti-humanist the J.J. movie is/was


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Report this Sep. 09 2012, 12:03 pm

How exactly is it racist, anti-feminist, and anti-humanist?


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Report this Sep. 10 2012, 3:20 pm

Well, as I think CJN might be thinking: 


We had an Orion gal playing underwear party with young Kirk; Uhura playing with her teacher (Spock); well... that's about all I took excepetion to. 


 


But you can't really take it all to heart: 


Orion gals are just naturally oversexed; plus they give off some kind of pherimone like Ilia did.


In TOS, at least in the first few eps, Uhura did appear to be baiting Mr. Spock, hoping for a little romance. As others have mentioned, that is possibly why it may have been...played up in this screwed up universe. 

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Report this Sep. 12 2012, 4:01 am

yea, but in the series it was like Spock was clearly a metaphor for half white half black, so of course it was perfectly acceptable by the standards of the day to have that (unlike her and Kirk kissing breaking that barrier), but it was more to show that, na-uh he's Vulcan and Vulcan don’t respond to that sh*t; so she gave up.  The most notable is in the first episode where she's serenading him for crimidy sake.


But my point was that she was the Woman’s lib. Movement and Civil rights movement of the day incarnate; and to see her reduced to simply being supporting the male story line and only getting the job because Kirk essentially got her on the bridge b/c she clearly couldn’t get there on her own in J.J.’s version; is quite frankly insulting and telling of J.J.’s politics.


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Report this Sep. 12 2012, 8:22 am

I don't know if I agree with that. I always felt that the TOS Uhura was just a glorified extra, and the JJ Uhura at least had some purpose in the movie. I guess it depends on how you look at it.


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Report this Sep. 12 2012, 10:41 am

I hate to judge anyone without knowing them, but that seems like an incredibly sexist remark to suggest that a woman supporting the roles of the men and making the men's story lines stronger is more important than showing that a woman, whose almost always in shot, and whose also black (and not like the new one whose lighter skinned than most Latinos, I would guess hired specifically because she is, and he would have hired a Latina if he could have and that's part of the hatred between African-Americans and Latin-Americans: that when someone wants to hire a minority but not a Black they hire a Latino, from the mouths of Latinas and blacks) to show that a woman could do that job, and be respected as an equal, if you want to see an extra, really except for the personalities and metaphors, the dr. was superfluous , he had a score of nurses and a handful of lower doctors; who did the job so well that even during emergencies when dozens of people were injured, he would just calmly stand on the bridge swaggering till it was time for him to say that the med whteva had it taken care of down there, and they didn't get Chekhov till the second season, so clearly they didn't need him, and all Spock would do was look through a microscope, couldn't they just say image to screen and have the computer to the calculations? They did in TNG.


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Report this Sep. 12 2012, 10:47 am

It is the metophore, that is all movies and tv show are; do you know Whoopi Goldberg and the first woman Astronaught both decided to persue their carreerrs because of TOS version, perhaps you should ask them if they thought she was just a glorified extra; and besides, the role that the J.J. O' played was a sexist one, it ws considered a sexist one 60-years ago, and that was before the modern woman's lib movement.  Are you sure that's what you want to be defending?

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Report this Sep. 12 2012, 10:56 am

I don't think we should b simultainiously having this gen's whoopi, and first lady whatever: being housewives, and encouraging lots of other women who would have persued a carreer if not seeing it at an impressionable age, that the biggest role they can play in life is in supporting thier man; and that any person of color had better hope a guy who likes them promotes them, because if they don't flirt (or implied sleep) thier way to the top, they will remain at the bottom, b/c they will never get there with their grades, not now, and not even 250+ years from now


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Report this Sep. 12 2012, 6:14 pm

I see that the message board still attracts all kinds of colorful, if not fully literate, characters, huh?

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Report this Sep. 12 2012, 8:07 pm

I'm not saying Uhura wasn't important. She was, but only because the character was black. That's the only thing that really makes her stand out from the other random bridge crew. Obviously, having a black person on the bridge doesn't have the same effect today that it did in the 60s, so the writers of the Abrams movie reformed her character.


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Report this Sep. 13 2012, 2:01 am

lets just agree to disagree, each culture as subculture is unaware of anout 90% of its own actions, because they are unquestioned; lets just say that I've had a very worldly life, but know maybe for me that is only 70% but when I'm not careful whole new sets get implanted and it goes up to 75%, like how hippies turned out to be pro-g. bay and anti arab, how'd that happen     But seeing things dif in another culture doesn't necessarily make it worse than your own juz dif, and knowing something abotu yourself and own culture is a far cry from knowing how to do anythingn beyond how you want to raise your children, or try to


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Report this Sep. 13 2012, 3:42 am

Fight! Fight! Fight!


 



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Report this Sep. 13 2012, 8:13 pm

I think you are thinking way too much into this. You might as well say that every movie with a woman as a supporting actress to a male role is being sexist. I mean I see your point in why you think that it is being sexist but I feel that it wasn't intended for it to be pertrayed that way.  I also feel that the new movie brought out Uhura as a more confident strong woman and gave her more say in decisions being made.  Instead of just being the communications officer she became an influence amoung the men that were commanding the ship.  I don't say this to sound like the only good a woman does is support a man. I say this because I feel like the only way you will be happy is if J.J. Abrams makes Uhura the Captain of the Enterprise.  We are looking at Star Fleet not Gender.

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Report this Sep. 13 2012, 10:56 pm

No, I've found that most women (and I mean career women, like she in TOS) recognize that women are better in interpersonal relationships, and while this often allows then to rise the top in careers like the police HQ officers- that most, and I mean most (mot all but most) would prefer a position like hers in TOS, where she does not have to deal with the politics of the job; but can help work out the interpersonal matters, and also work in a way that allows her to do the actual technical aspects of her work alone, without interference in that same political animal.


 


With regard to gender- TOS made every episode about gender, in some way, it was the height of the Woman’s lib movement's attempt to work against the system before the system actually started giving was by the early 70's when men found their places displaced.  But the mid to late 60’s were nearly 50 years ago, so we were nearly 50-years less culturally evolved, so there should be NO point where we on our laziest day we are socially slipping past the 60's best attempts.  And in fact to say we are talking about Star Trek, not gender is perhaps missing the point of the convo, maybe its my fault for not expressing myself properly, but: Star Trek was not defined by its creator by its tech but by its humanist view of the future, and the 4-ways he most notably (apparently in his view, and definitely in many of the creators view, and most definitely in  Nichelle Nichols’ view) tried to do this was doing away with money/poverty/starvation (on earth anyway), doing away with nations (on earth anyway), and by showing both all races working together as equals, and showing the equality but still separate masculine and feminine natures of men and women.


And forgive me for saying so but there seems to be something wrong with the trekers and trekies on this site, the site specifically states that (from memory not rechecked) “if you have a problem attack the argument not the person, everyone is entitled to their opinion”; but it seems that any time anyone has even the slightest difference of opinion, if they do not automatically and immediately say “oh, yes you are completely right; and I am completely wrong, what was I thinking existing in this world being so utterly and completely wrong when there are such perfect individuals as you to show the world the way, I’ll just go off and shoot myself now so as to not pollute the world with my stupidity any longer” you guys start childishly attacking them, because of a complete intolerance for differing opinions, and a complete unwillingness to have a convo with anyone who doesn’t completely agree with you, heck if everyone agreed about everything we wouldn’t need language except to label our possessions and purchase things, which in the modern day would completely undo the need for any human communication whatsoever.

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Report this Sep. 14 2012, 4:48 am

This site gets a lot of trolls.


 


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